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Another sucker drawn in by the Middle East?

Old 28th Oct 2018, 12:13
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Another sucker drawn in by the Middle East?

Greetings

I've been long time PPRuNe follower since 2012 when i first started flying. I've learnt a lot from reading the posts on this site since & fast forward six years later, I'm a first officer on a B787. I created this account & thread recently to seek out some sound (...and hopefully wise!) advice on how to proceed forward with my career. Ever since I started flying I've always been infatuated with the idea of working with a Legacy carrier like Emirates, or Qatar in the Middle east. To this day, I'm still eager to make the move.
The Airline I currently fly for isn't quite what I imagined my first Airline job to be ( i was formally a GA pilot) and I made more money flying twin-turboprops than I do now flying a B787 making around $2000 to $2500(Tops!) a month. Captains in my company make roughly $3500-$4000 so it's not a tremendous step up either but one I look forward to nontheless. I'm about to hit that 3000hr mark with 2000hrs on aircraft > 20tonnes and Im contemplating a move to the UAE.
​​​My wife & I are currently getting by but we can't afford much outside a decent living & I strongly feel I can save more money in the UAE than where I currently am.
T​​​​​his leads me to the question, am I making the right decision by trying to move to the UAE?

Thank you in advance for your time & suggestions!
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Old 28th Oct 2018, 15:24
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Should you get hired by any of the ME airlines, your observation "The Airline I currently fly for isn't quite what I imagined my first Airline job to be" would be the same for your second airline.
D7
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Old 28th Oct 2018, 17:00
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"the Airline I currently fly for isn't quite what I imagined my first Airline job to be".

Do yourself a favor and don't move to the middle east.
You might not like your job now, but be ready to hate the job and the little life around it that will remain.
Build some seniority back home - cause that is where you will long to return and you will be coming back at the bottom of the list.
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Old 28th Oct 2018, 17:02
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Originally Posted by dusty777 View Post
Should you get hired by any of the ME airlines, your observation "The Airline I currently fly for isn't quite what I imagined my first Airline job to be" would be the same for your second airline.
D7

but it you will probably earn 2-3 times more
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Old 28th Oct 2018, 17:04
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Originally Posted by Black Pudding View Post
but it you will probably earn 2-3 times more

but you will spend about 2-3 times as much
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Old 28th Oct 2018, 17:16
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Another Sucker

I am amused that you call yourself a long-term ppruner

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Old 28th Oct 2018, 19:07
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Am I the only one who's wondering which employer pays that little for 787 FO's? If OP's location is accurate then could it be for Norwegian? The salary seems insultingly low.
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Old 28th Oct 2018, 19:12
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Please do not think you will save any money by working in ME.
You will spend every cent you earn for reasons you will not consider in your ‘pros’ and ‘cons’ list.
Before you move to the ME - you must completely understand and accept that you will be a 2nd-class citizen and have to accept your claustrophobic position.
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Old 28th Oct 2018, 19:17
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Go back to surf your latte macchiato at Costa's
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Old 28th Oct 2018, 21:18
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The middle east will eat your soul, it will make you sign up to subscriptions for stuff you would never think about back home but which cost a lot of money. You will become dependent on the salary because of obligations you got yourself into cause you must ; bond, overpriced rentals of real estate , car loans , just to give you and your family a half decent lifestyle in the midst of the 3rd world society that you will learn to hate. The middle east is good if you already have a secure home and a place to escape when they fire you over a minor mistake no matter how many years you have sacrificed your health to fly their slavery rosters. All in all , the best experience you will take from it is that you will - from the moment of your final expit permit, respect your home and the civilisation you are coming from.
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Old 29th Oct 2018, 00:42
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The Middle East airlines are not 'Legacy Carriers.'
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Old 29th Oct 2018, 06:43
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Originally Posted by EESDL View Post
Please do not think you will save any money by working in ME.
You will spend every cent you earn for reasons you will not consider in your ‘pros’ and ‘cons’ list.
Before you move to the ME - you must completely understand and accept that you will be a 2nd-class citizen and have to accept your claustrophobic position.
Nonsense. I know many guys that have saved a tidy sum of money working in the ME. The choice of how much you save depends on your lifestyle, and investment savy decisions. Their are those who arrive with nothing and leave with nothing, will bad mouth everything in the sandpit, and then the rest. Individuals from legacy carriers state that they make more money as FO' s in the ME than commanders back home.
There are irritations that you have to work around in this neck of the woods, but second class citizens, really?
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Old 29th Oct 2018, 08:24
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If you want a legacy carrier try BA, Qantas, Lufthansa, Singapore etc.
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Old 29th Oct 2018, 12:27
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Originally Posted by Brookmans Park View Post
I am amused that you call yourself a long-term ppruner

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Me too LOL.

WARNING: SIA is a RACIST TOXIC ENVIRONMENT. Buyer beware.
I did that gig, but thankfully escaped with my middle age still along way away.

East or West, any aviation job sucks with modern T&Cs. Unless you make it to legacy, eg BA
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Old 29th Oct 2018, 13:11
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If you can come with a number in mind and can live within your means then you can get what you want and leave. Don't expect anything more from this place except money. The guys who can't save are those that have no plans and need to keep spending to satisfy themselves.

If you are the kind of person that needs a lot of external stimulation in life to be happy like concerts, beautiful scenery (haha not.mucj of that here), restaurants and all within the framework of your own society then you will be sorely disappointed.

If however, you can basically live in a fashion that doesn't need too much external stimulation but one in which time with friends, movies, books a few holidays per year etc. will be fine then you should be ok.

The issue is that individuals who have no business leaving their own societies and cultures but get tempted by the money show up and realize that life outside of their country is not the same everywhere else in the world and then bitch about it. They also fail to realise that actually living somewhere is different from going on holiday to that place, they therefore try to make their life into a holiday and it all goes wrong from there.

Maturity and a good understanding of where it is you're going and what your life is going to be like is the key here. There are plenty of people that bitch and moan but end up spending 15-25 years here.
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Old 29th Oct 2018, 18:44
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Once again, i really appreciate all the helpful suggestions shared. Given what I've read, i'm thinking about visiting Dubai for a few weeks & seeing what the place is actually like. I realize that going there as a tourist wont give me the full scope of what its like to actually work & live there however its the second best thing i can think after inquiring on this forum. Perhaps the visit will make my decision to commit to or cancel the move a little easier.
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Old 29th Oct 2018, 20:36
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Make sure to read the "are you ready to move to Dubai" sticky and see how you score.
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Old 30th Oct 2018, 19:36
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Originally Posted by Brookmans Park View Post
I am amused that you call yourself a long-term ppruner

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lol. Same here!

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Old 31st Oct 2018, 15:54
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I am no defender of the ME carriers, but I arrived with less than nothing (ie debt), wiped that out in four months and then left with a pile of money. Soul somewhat intact.

To suggest that your costs will increase equally to the undeniable large pay increase is nonsense, unless you are terrible with money, but then people who are terrible with money will behave the same anywhere. You'll just have more to waste in the ME. And most do. Those are quite likely, those issuing the dire warnings. Had to listen to them moan all the time while I was there, how broke they were as they got in the transport with the garage door going down on super high-spec autos...

All of this is only in relation to the financial aspect of the move. The other less tangible aspects...that's even more important, and covered elsewhere ad nauseam. I just felt compelled to point out that there ARE people who go, work hard, and leave with substantial reward. I am but one actual example. But it takes a lot of discipline in a place designed largely to separate people from their money.
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Old 31st Oct 2018, 20:22
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Originally Posted by nolimitholdem View Post

I just felt compelled to point out that there ARE people who go, work hard, and leave with substantial reward. I am but one actual example. But it takes a lot of discipline in a place designed largely to separate people from their money.
You might have left with a ton of money but did you leave with your health and family intact?
In addition to Emirates trying to separate you from your money it also tries to separate your brain, health and sanity not to mention your wife.
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