UNAWARE. UNAFRAID.
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From: uganda
UNAWARE. UNAFRAID.
unaware of the threats and unafraid of the outcome.
reality?
-pay raise: whopping $100 per month
-swapping system: useless
-bidding system: useless
-pilot tablet: useless
-crew portal: useless
-special tickets: cheaper on sales
-new trainers: never flown a B777
-new training captains: 6 months left seat experience only
-new training captains: 50% pay cut
-new hire pilots: no jet time
-early retirement age: dropped from 60yrs to 50yrs to mask attrition
-new alcohol ban: only one airline affected
-poor grading in simulator: warning letter
-new long haul crew compliment: down from 4 pilots to 3 pilots
-new cabin crew compliment: down by 3 cabin crew
improvements?
-swap OT and no one gets OT pay
-buy a standby ticket and you might get the jumpseat
-new command age: only pilots left to upgrade
-east west swaps still 8 days but rostering allowed
-days off cap ... if any available
who is leaving?
-pilots
-chief pilots
-recruitment managers
-instructors
-TRE's/TRI's
-fleet managers
-training managers
reality?
-pay raise: whopping $100 per month
-swapping system: useless
-bidding system: useless
-pilot tablet: useless
-crew portal: useless
-special tickets: cheaper on sales
-new trainers: never flown a B777
-new training captains: 6 months left seat experience only
-new training captains: 50% pay cut
-new hire pilots: no jet time
-early retirement age: dropped from 60yrs to 50yrs to mask attrition
-new alcohol ban: only one airline affected
-poor grading in simulator: warning letter
-new long haul crew compliment: down from 4 pilots to 3 pilots
-new cabin crew compliment: down by 3 cabin crew
improvements?
-swap OT and no one gets OT pay
-buy a standby ticket and you might get the jumpseat
-new command age: only pilots left to upgrade
-east west swaps still 8 days but rostering allowed
-days off cap ... if any available
who is leaving?
-pilots
-chief pilots
-recruitment managers
-instructors
-TRE's/TRI's
-fleet managers
-training managers
short flights long nights
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I really dont get it. They seem helll bent on making EK the absolute worst place to work in thee world. There was a time people were bashing the door down to get in, and they could demand people have thousands of hour on heavy jets just to get the privilege of filling out the application form .... nowadays it’s ok if you have a pulse and can draw a reasonable picture of an aircraft.
I don’t understand it.... it could be the greatest job in the world, a modern Pan Am. They seem however to want it to end up the same way as Pan Am. As I said .... I just don’t understand.
I don’t understand it.... it could be the greatest job in the world, a modern Pan Am. They seem however to want it to end up the same way as Pan Am. As I said .... I just don’t understand.
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From: Alaska
It should be the best place to work , awesome route structure , Great Aircraft , great people mostly !
how thick can the management be to realise a premium needs to be paid for living in the sandpit or Bases . In the past they have waited for Airlines to go broke to fill there boots but this time it looks like they will succumb to their own stupidity , please ask the King to sack all the managers !
how thick can the management be to realise a premium needs to be paid for living in the sandpit or Bases . In the past they have waited for Airlines to go broke to fill there boots but this time it looks like they will succumb to their own stupidity , please ask the King to sack all the managers !
Joined: Apr 2003
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From: UAE
Not many once they read the small print. Maybe a few Airbus guys who want to fly the 380 (hint to them: it is just another aeroplane. It is big but most aren’t even that shiny anymore).
If EK management based our dismal pay review on SAA saving the day they are probably in for a shock.
If EK management based our dismal pay review on SAA saving the day they are probably in for a shock.
Joined: Apr 2001
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From: overthere
TCT sounded like a giggling teenage girl when talking about his visit to the CRC .Good to see he is keeping his mind active counting galley handholds. How would we ever do our jobs without his sage advice. i think he will wet himself if he ever visits the flightdeck .
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From: Kaya Lalapanzi
You are privy to the letter sent to SAAPA from the HKAOA , and the advice SAAPA passed on to their members about joining CX? However you are correct that why would a SAA CN join CX as an FO as there is no DEC, or a SFO at SAA join a bottom of the seniority list at CX. Whereas EK could do the DEC thing , again.
Joined: Oct 2010
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From: In the back of a bus
Don, TCT = Timmy?
Im shocked he left the confines of the F cabin, surprised he didnt burst into flames going to Y...
I always maintained that if anyone in charge of approving that sorry excuse of a CRC actually had to use it after doing a month's worth of ULR trips, it would never have got the go ahead.
Im shocked he left the confines of the F cabin, surprised he didnt burst into flames going to Y...
I always maintained that if anyone in charge of approving that sorry excuse of a CRC actually had to use it after doing a month's worth of ULR trips, it would never have got the go ahead.
Joined: Jul 2007
Aviation Qualifications: ATP+Mil
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From: with the ex-CX pond scum (a zoologist was once head of Flight Ops)
CX are reading from the same playbook. It's uncanny how the two airlines are following a similar path. I will soon be going thru the CX resignation process. The attitude is almost as if they want experienced crew to leave. I've been racking my brain trying to work out why. I can only come up with:
Replace them with someone cheaper
Playing 'tough guy'/if you don't like it leave/'grey wall' psychology
Incompetence
Denial of any problem
Probably a melange of all the above. At the moment I shake my head in wonder. But soon, I won't care less.
Replace them with someone cheaper
Playing 'tough guy'/if you don't like it leave/'grey wall' psychology
Incompetence
Denial of any problem
Probably a melange of all the above. At the moment I shake my head in wonder. But soon, I won't care less.
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From: north pole