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Old 28th Apr 2018, 14:58
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In fairness to Harry..I really think his comment about leaving was "tongue in cheek". (But, Harry, I know a good breeder mate, if you want me to put in an order for you!)
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Old 28th Apr 2018, 15:23
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I think Harold met one of those in BKK SOPs.
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Old 28th Apr 2018, 15:32
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I will pay that Don !!!!!!!
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Old 28th Apr 2018, 21:30
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From an "experienced" laden room in RTGS last week, HH has booked Atrium time at EGHQ.

Now, I am wanting my 6 weeks and 11%??!!
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Old 29th Apr 2018, 00:06
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Don't you think that if you are holding on to a single event to somehow make you happy then there are very big warning signs out? Each year it is the same - "Yeah if we get X% pay rise and Y weeks bonus then that'll make this all worth it." No, it really won't. I've been out of EK for 8 months. It took me 5-6 months to develop a good sleeping pattern again. God knows what over 7 years working the way I did in that place has done to my long term health. But the simple fact is X + Y does not = 'worth it.'

The irony is many pilots speak exactly the same way about working at EK as battered housewives do that are in abusive marriages. But still they stay, thinking it'll get better.
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Old 8th May 2018, 07:41
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Oh boy oh boy. I am having sleepless nights. What do you guys think we will get?
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Old 8th May 2018, 08:11
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Oh boy oh boy. I am having sleepless nights. What do you guys think we will get?
A kick in the a**, a slap in the face and a push down the stairs most likely..
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Old 8th May 2018, 10:42
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The irony is many pilots speak exactly the same way about working at EK as battered housewives do that are in abusive marriages. But still they stay, thinking it'll get better.
It really is like a bad relationship, you convince yourself you can get through it, having no idea how bad it really was until you are out. Personally I didn't realise how bad it was ( I knew it was bad, but ot THAT bad) until I was home, went to a therapist to work through some issues that EK/Dubai brought up and he told me he saw signs similar to PTSD. I can now say they also eroded my confidence somewhat, the whole management/hierarchy environment, reporting culture, snitching, petty flight reviews etc made me start to doubt my abilities and second guess decisions that formerly I would have had no problem making. I worked in a leadership position before and both in teams and alone in the aviation environment. And I am lucky, I was a strong person to start with so they didn't get me all the way down. Now Imagine someone with a more sensitive/less assertive personality. Luckily I am in a place where real assistance is available and I already see/feel improvement. No 'got my license from a weeties box' docs here. Nor pushing mental health issues under the rug and telling you to 'manage your sleep'

no wonder they are leaving in droves and there is definitely a mental health crisis within the CC community at least, if not the pilots. I have heard of families affected as well.

NOTHING is 'worth it', no amount of money they can throw at me would ever make me come back.

Sorry for the side rant, but yes the comment re: abusive relationship is spot on.
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Old 8th May 2018, 16:45
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Would have to concur 1000% with GiveMeWings...you don't realise how bad it was until you leave and the rest is totally accurate, very damaging.

Will have to disagree with DuneMentat however as I think a kick in the nuts , and a red hot poker in the B#m hole to send you on your way to your next Madras turnaround is more likely.
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Old 8th May 2018, 19:57
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Originally Posted by givemewings View Post
It really is like a bad relationship, you convince yourself you can get through it, having no idea how bad it really was until you are out. Personally I didn't realise how bad it was ( I knew it was bad, but ot THAT bad) until I was home, went to a therapist to work through some issues that EK/Dubai brought up and he told me he saw signs similar to PTSD. I can now say they also eroded my confidence somewhat, the whole management/hierarchy environment, reporting culture, snitching, petty flight reviews etc made me start to doubt my abilities and second guess decisions that formerly I would have had no problem making. I worked in a leadership position before and both in teams and alone in the aviation environment. And I am lucky, I was a strong person to start with so they didn't get me all the way down. Now Imagine someone with a more sensitive/less assertive personality. Luckily I am in a place where real assistance is available and I already see/feel improvement. No 'got my license from a weeties box' docs here. Nor pushing mental health issues under the rug and telling you to 'manage your sleep'

no wonder they are leaving in droves and there is definitely a mental health crisis within the CC community at least, if not the pilots. I have heard of families affected as well.

NOTHING is 'worth it', no amount of money they can throw at me would ever make me come back.

Sorry for the side rant, but yes the comment re: abusive relationship is spot on.
Exact same story here. Really did not realise how emotionally abused you are until you leave. The first two months went by and I was confused and lost. Then I started to get my act together and now its been 5 months and I am starting to feel like the old me. I can make decisions again. I can think straight and when I look back at all the things I assumed 'would get better or is not really that bad' I can't believe I did that to myself for so long.
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Old 9th May 2018, 08:22
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...LOL....

Originally Posted by The Outlaw
KTD,

I am a little more optimistic ! My guess is that everyone will see 4 to 6 weeks and a step increase, perhaps even an additional ALT. It won't be from their generous nature but rather out of full scale necessity or else STC's "wee tad short of pilots" will turn into "we have a wee tad of pilots". However, they will put an equal amount of attention to keeping that money on their shores which they seem to have achieved starting May 1 amongst many other rate and fee increases.

Dnata, Dubai Airports and all the shops that fall under the brand are the real money makers so it only makes sense that that try to capitalize on areas where there is potential for profit. From a financial perspective it's my guess that EK has had a good year. QR and the un-named one have no doubt lost passengers to EK, cargo appears to be up and loads still seem high (assuming the yields are there as well).



Musing Monk...Still laughing? I believe 5 weeks falls between 4 and 6.





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Old 9th May 2018, 09:16
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Well.... its something.
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Old 9th May 2018, 10:32
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More interested in pay review...
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Old 9th May 2018, 11:10
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Exactly.... let's see what the pay review has to say. Its the pay review that will help recruitment and aid retention. Without retention and recruitment, the attrition remains the same and the appalling lifestyle will not change
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Old 9th May 2018, 11:23
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We're definitely "on course" for something.. is it an ice berg?
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Old 9th May 2018, 12:49
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Exactly.... let's see what the pay review has to say. Its the pay review that will help recruitment and aid retention. Without retention and recruitment, the attrition remains the same and the appalling lifestyle will not change
I agree the profit share is nice and welcome but never guaranteed so a pay rise is much needed if they expect people to keep coming here at the rate prices are going up!
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Old 9th May 2018, 15:53
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You guys deserved the 5 weeks. However, I am happy to have left and yes I will miss the 777 and the profit shares. However, home sweet home there is nothing better and I have back my family life. This is the money you deserve for your hard work and no life. And your hundred of night flyings. Hope a good payrise will follow. Hang in there until you can leave.
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Old 15th May 2018, 20:36
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I can't seem to find the reference but has anyone else heard that the Dubai Airports staff received a 8 % increase to salary to cover cost of living?
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Old 16th May 2018, 01:39
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It's a fact , for all the hard work they have done!!!!
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