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Old 29th Aug 2018, 11:15
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Hotels quality is going down in Europe and USA, schedule is really heavy , salary didnít change for the last 11 years! And restrictions when traveling for your holidays.
Ke really need to improve the package.
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Old 29th Aug 2018, 13:51
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As opposed to EK!!!!!!
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Old 1st Sep 2018, 23:04
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I suspect the interest in Korean from EK pilots will not be diminishing soon. Despite all the challenges that go hand in hand with working for Korean, the fact that there seems to be steady interest, means that the perceived positives still outweigh the perceived negatives for many at EK.
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Old 2nd Sep 2018, 10:00
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Any 737 skippers at Korean that could possibly pm me a roster for the last month or two please.
many thanks
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Old 2nd Sep 2018, 11:24
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Present 737 captains are being offered left seat in the 777, i know 2 gents who recently made the transition.

you don't want the 737 at Kal. A lot of challenging China and Korea domestic, 4 sector days
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Old 2nd Sep 2018, 14:40
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You mean a NTR DEC onto 777?
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Old 2nd Sep 2018, 15:55
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Originally Posted by italian stallion View Post
You mean a NTR DEC onto 777?
They were KE foreign 737 captains who transitioned to the 777....

as to their previous types and times I cannot say. I reckon they've been bonded somehow and/or purchased a 777 type as any NTR would ....

but it is being offered presently
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Old 2nd Sep 2018, 22:32
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Originally Posted by The Turtle View Post
They were KE foreign 737 captains who transitioned to the 777....

as to their previous types and times I cannot say. I reckon they've been bonded somehow and/or purchased a 777 type as any NTR would ....

but it is being offered presently
You also need to be over the age of 40 to fly a widebody at Korean. They will not transition anyone unless they're 40 or older.
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Old 3rd Sep 2018, 03:10
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Originally Posted by UB6IB9 View Post
You also need to be over the age of 40 to fly a widebody at Korean. They will not transition anyone unless they're 40 or older.
Does that mean they wonít look at a DEC applicant under the age of 40, regardless of experience?
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Old 3rd Sep 2018, 23:07
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As well as the 737 DEC being possibly the hardest job in the company (think China and domestics with lots of deadhead time and fresh FOs), it is also paid about $3K/month less than the 777, 747 and 380 positions, but is now the only way onto a wide body in KAL if you donít have previous current widebofy experience (330 NTR expericed 320 positions are no longer available).
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Old 4th Sep 2018, 02:07
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No Change...

Originally Posted by Alloy View Post
As well as the 737 DEC being possibly the hardest job in the company (think China and domestics with lots of deadhead time and fresh FOs), it is also paid about $3K/month less than the 777, 747 and 380 positions, but is now the only way onto a wide body in KAL if you donít have previous current widebody experience (330 NTR experienced 320 positions are no longer available).
Actually then, nothing much has changed for the last 10 years. Most guys were stuck on the 737 and couldn't move across unless they went in to the audit department. Very few came across to the 777.
Don't have any misconceptions though, all of the fleets work hard. They get their money out of you. Also, the hotels were never great. However; I always got my days off, always flew business class, to and from base and never had my schedule changed. There was one exception and that was when a Captain fell ill, they called me if I would come in on my days off to cover the flight. I showed up, completed the flight back to ICN. They flew me home the next day and gave me an extra 9 days off!!!
I can't say too much about the Chinese contracts however; KAL was the best gig going. Always treated fair and well respected. Their equipment is THE best maintained in the world. It is a good operation.
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Old 4th Sep 2018, 05:59
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Correct, not much has greatly changed, including the salary, (there has been NO inflation increases for many years). One significant change is that the 330 is NOT a possibility to non 330 experienced pilots unlike before - they have 321s coming and need to crew them instead.
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Old 4th Sep 2018, 08:15
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As we know, no airline is perfect but I have several friends at Korean and they are very happy with the roasters and the people they work with.

Treat other people as you wish to be treated, it normally works.
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Old 18th Nov 2018, 22:31
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Upgrade possibilities

Guys,
I'm an FO with 800 hrs on the 737NG, 1000 hrs jet total and 1250 hrs TT, I just fulfill the requirements for an FO position at KAL.

Do you recommend it for a western FO, or is it really like I hear: FOs only do the radios, must ask the captain's permission even for ordering a coffee from the cabin?

Do they upgrade foreigner FOs? How long does it take?

Thank You guys.
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Old 19th Nov 2018, 04:58
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me179,

You are 1000 hours off even being eligible to apply.
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Old 28th Nov 2018, 21:38
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According to https://rishworthaviation.com/pilot-...rviews-ref1831

I am :-)

Last edited by me179; 28th Nov 2018 at 21:38. Reason: spelling mistake
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Old 7th Dec 2018, 16:24
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Originally Posted by Global_Global View Post
Agree... The only issues I had was:
-Matrasses in Korea are way too hard
-Culture between local Captain and local FO is ehhh interesting... you learn a lot about their culture from that and understand why they need expats

In short I liked the place, the people and the food and the contract was ok too. Beats EK anyday
Some ex EK guys have pulled the plug and are returning to EK! Never heard of any ex Korean guys leaving EK to return to Korean.
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Old 7th Dec 2018, 21:40
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The trouble is that being an expat at Korean and being an expat at EK are two totally different jobs but I suspect some think that since they have adapted to the cultural melting pot that is EK, then they will easily adapt to Korean. This is sadly never going to be the case for all.

Having been an ex-pat at other companies prior to EK and where I was the minority in amongst a single majority based on nationality, I can see how some will simply just not be able to adapt to working at Korean, with all the nuances that go hand in hand with working there.
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Old 7th Dec 2018, 21:58
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It is a very small number of ex EK pilots returning from Korean . Not including those who failed I think it might be less than 2. Know several mates been at Korean for 15 + years and enjoy it . Take each EK and KE for what the are worth.
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Old 1st Feb 2019, 16:11
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The last KAL joke

This is KALís idea of enhancing the package.
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