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Be aware of Korean air

Old 11th Nov 2017, 16:16
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Be aware of Korean air

Seems that a few are not taking advise from guys who actually work there already.
There was recently 2 guys who left half way through their training as they could not take this stupid culture , dumbness and ignorance , You will be ignored like you do not excist .


But that all said , the culture , the dumbness , breaking of contracts , messing around with off days ,Now messing with our travelling , flying your ass off up to 900 hrs...NOT including the other 300 hrs on that to get back and from home,The 4- 6 months training on lower pay and stuck in a hotel not allowed to go home, Line training from hell with someone who cannot fly to save his life or work the radio at least,Lack of help , assistance from agency , the lack of someone to go to for help for basic assistance ... its you agaist the koreans if they report you for a stupid reason no intervention from an expat or anything ..No chance of an increase ever, if you want to go somewhere else then your home base you have to use your tickets which you only get a handful of which was suppose to be for your family as you as the pilot are suppose to fly on a GD, they broke that now , some pilots who have american green cards ... they refuse to fly them home on a GD to Hawai and they are now on ID90 tickets and you only get a few and you have to pay in economy and you might not get to work then they will dock your pay at 500USD a day... its brutal
We have an AAR in the form of a small korean who hates expats ....
Its the worse company you can ever end up working for .. they will not renew you for small reasons which you will not even be made aware of.
The Koreans hate us as they want increases and they been fighting the company for 3 years now and its brutal towards expats.
THEN THE NORTH KOREAN ISSUE .. everyone is looking for another job , guys are leaving at a huge rate ...


well you decide ...
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Old 11th Nov 2017, 17:09
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I thought they had a reasonable reputation for sticking to the contracted terms and conditions ? ... Dumb ? I dont know, different to your culture certainly . Better to join as a captain definitely.
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Old 12th Nov 2017, 01:00
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Please elaborate on the North Korean issue haha
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Old 12th Nov 2017, 04:33
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My best friend works there since 2015 after he left ek and hes never had a single problem.
Theyre one of the most serious company in terms of reliability and honoring the contract.
The culture is different and you must adapt just like in every other place.
Actually is one of the most attracting and best paid commuting contract.
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Old 12th Nov 2017, 05:17
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I know a few very close mates that have been there for up to 15+ years and have absolutely no problems. With more lining up to go!
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Old 12th Nov 2017, 05:28
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A lot lining up actually 😂😂
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Old 12th Nov 2017, 05:28
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interesting that ALL 3 of the OP's posts have been about Korean.
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Old 12th Nov 2017, 08:06
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Where the hell are you supposed to work anymore. Time to retire.
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Old 12th Nov 2017, 10:16
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In this context I had to repost this video:

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Old 12th Nov 2017, 12:57
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Korean is hiring now continuously since more than 8 years! Nonstop! And there is no real expansion, the fleet is more or less stable I think. That means the in and outflow of pilots is same like at Emirates for example. Those who are not happy and find something better leave.
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Old 13th Nov 2017, 00:53
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Same Old Story

I was on contract there for over 8 years. Absolutely the best contract Ive ever had. There will always be detractors to anything that is good. This contract is all about mindset change. If you disagree with the LCP during line training, you already wrote your ticket out of the organization. Go there,do what you're told and don't ask a bunch of questions while training and you'll pass.

In those 8+ years, I never had days off violated, always rode business class and was treated with respect. You get out of this world, what you put in. Furthermore, I always had Christmas off, but in turn, never took time during Chusock (New Years).
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Old 13th Nov 2017, 08:52
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South Korea in the middle east

....and what exactly about Korean Air is pertinent to the middle east?
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Old 13th Nov 2017, 10:24
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Didn't you know ? The world revolves around EK pilots.
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Old 13th Nov 2017, 13:43
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The culture is different and you must adapt just like in every other place.
Actually is one of the most attracting and best paid commuting contract.
Agree... The only issues I had was:
-Matrasses in Korea are way too hard
-Culture between local Captain and local FO is ehhh interesting... you learn a lot about their culture from that and understand why they need expats

In short I liked the place, the people and the food and the contract was ok too. Beats EK anyday
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Old 13th Nov 2017, 15:22
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Originally Posted by fatbus View Post
Didn't you know ? The world revolves around EK pilots.
you made my day.
danke!

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Old 13th Nov 2017, 15:27
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Originally Posted by KippaLippa View Post
....and what exactly about Korean Air is pertinent to the middle east?
Quite possibly it's as st an airline as EK and EY...?
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Old 27th Aug 2018, 11:13
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Originally Posted by 777AV8R View Post
I was on contract there for over 8 years. Absolutely the best contract Ive ever had. There will always be detractors to anything that is good. This contract is all about mindset change. If you disagree with the LCP during line training, you already wrote your ticket out of the organization. Go there,do what you're told and don't ask a bunch of questions while training and you'll pass.

In those 8+ years, I never had days off violated, always rode business class and was treated with respect. You get out of this world, what you put in. Furthermore, I always had Christmas off, but in turn, never took time during Chusock (New Years).

hi 777av8r, its refreshing to see such a mature answer in PPRuNe!

Im considering joining Korean Air, Im staying in one of their destination, can I request to fly a particular route more often than other?

Heard there is a way to buy more OFF days, is that true?

Thanks, again very nice to see such response from you!
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Old 27th Aug 2018, 14:13
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Flew for them for 11 years and I had the same impressions as 777av8r. Do not try to change anything and go with the flow. Regarding your questions; 1. no, routes are assigned randomly, no bid system 2. the standard days off are 11 days plus 3 travelling days, occasionally you can request a few more days on a particular month, but you'd have to work more days subsequently.
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Old 28th Aug 2018, 13:14
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Agree with 3holer. 'Go with the Flow' is certainly prudent. Still best commuting contract out there.
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Old 29th Aug 2018, 00:59
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Be aware of staying at EK!
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