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Response to EK Training a disgrace

Old 16th Oct 2017, 06:57
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We just need to ask ourselves..

How many of us ' Enter with confidence and trust and leave with improved expertise'?

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Old 16th Oct 2017, 18:45
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As far as the BA training is concerned, the only problem I seen was lack of communication from EK as to what SOPs and standards were to be applied. I guess BA weren’t aware of EKs ‘technique’ ....
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Old 16th Oct 2017, 19:17
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I have been burning holes in the sky for close to 40 years now, in various different uniforms.
The largest outfit I have ever worked for was the RAF, at the time some 94,000 personnel. The Safety culture in the RAF was lightyears ahead of the commercial world at the time. Airclues was published every month, it had articles on incidents and theories and a completely open safety reporting system. At the time I am talking about we were losing about 3 jets a month, low level CFIT, Midair collisions, bird strikes etc etc. Consequently Flight Safety was a REALLY BIG deal.
Fortunately the civil world has, thank God, a much much lower accident rate.
Even so every outfit post RAF were completely open about what has happened, why and what could be done to avoid it's repetition.
A very good buddy had a tail strike, instead of being discipled he was asked to write an article for the companies quarterly magazine, about how he never knew it had happened, how the revelation he had had a strike shattered his self confidence. The whole process was a massive learning experience for everyone.
EK is a massive organisation with many stressors that simply do not exist anywhere else. We have to live with these differences on a daily basis.
That said we are also our own worst enemies.
These pages are littered with confidential memos and letters placed into the public forum.
I don't have a dog in this fight much longer, however, IF we want pertinent safety information freely circulated we all have to stop washing our laundry in public.
Keep it blue side up guys!
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Old 17th Oct 2017, 02:00
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I was a relatively short term swimmer in the EK pool but the way I saw it was that people washed their laundry in public precisely *because* everyone knows it will never be seen otherwise. Ask the average punter about Moscow or even Melbourne and I guarantee only those with a decent interest in aviation would know what you mean.

It would take a massive shift in thinking for there to be a just safety culture in that place. The posters in the lifts are a sad joke. It's never going to happen- until they really do get a smoking hole sadly.

The fact that 521 wasn't a massive wakeup call and that things apparently seem to be getting worse IMHO points to that.

I feel for those who will just happen to be there when it happens through no fault of their own. Other airlines have been there and provide the learning examples. If only they were heeded by those with the clout to DO something.
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