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Old 1st Oct 2017, 21:05
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A thr/ inop what are you talking
About ? It's s non event even for the newer generation of pilots , I hope !
I take your point on commercial interests , but whatever next , autopilot failure in cruise .. shock horror ! I'm not sure where this took place of course but , manual handling training is now de riigeur even in direct mode or equivalent .. aaarggh we,re all going to die ...
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Old 2nd Oct 2017, 05:08
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My point exactly you Belligerent Fool. ".. aaarggh we,re all going to die ..."
Well an A380 load of people almost did. Lets not forget about a B777 load of poeple that almost died because the pilot didn't undertsand the automation.

Airlines want maximum use of Automation, Manual Thrust is Prohibited in my airline.
Auto Pilot and A/THR are MEL items, so we can fly without them when it suits the airline. I am expected to be proficient in the SIM with manual flying.
So what is the problem?
It will be todays 23 year old MPL cadet who has 73hrs of manual flying in a 500kg piston aircraft who becomes a Captain having never flown an airliner manually in bad weather, with faulty equipment like...... RA Inop.

Lets add Turkish FLT1951 to the above list.
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Old 2nd Oct 2017, 07:05
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In fact the Mel is set by the manufacturer not the airline . That isn't the point you are making I think .
The automation argument has been raging for a very long time & will continue to do so , as for Mel items you are not obliged to accept the a/c even if dispatch is allowed , of course questions will be asked but it's finally the commanders choice but the reasoning should be sound . Did you mean 1 Rad altimeter ? Surely not ?
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Old 5th Oct 2017, 14:58
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Originally Posted by Monarch Man View Post
Forwarded from a spotter friend who watches YouTube.
That should be EK55 to Düsseldorf, arriving 11:31z on runway 23L, with a variable 20G32kt crosswind (max. certified crosswind is 40kt for the A380-800).

Metar:
EDDL 051150Z 30020G32KT 270V330 9999 VCSH SCT030TCU SCT270 16/09 Q1009 NOSIG
EDDL 051120Z 29020G33KT 270V330 9999 FEW016 SCT026 BKN260 15/09 Q1009 NOSIG


I'm not sure how that is ontopic here.
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Old 5th Oct 2017, 16:56
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Upgrade training..

Every landing you walk away from.. Good.

and the aircraft is usable for the next flight.. Excellent.

That'll be a 5
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Old 5th Oct 2017, 23:06
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Beautiful paint job.
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Old 6th Oct 2017, 01:47
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This is an airplane not a bicycle! Debrief complete.
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Old 6th Oct 2017, 03:02
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What's all the yawing in aid of? Is this an Airbus technique - "in crosswinds, make repeated and random jabs at the controls in various axes to give the illusion that you as the pilot are directing the aircraft"
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Old 6th Oct 2017, 05:54
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There was oodles of experience on board that flight deck which is why it didn’t vacate at taxiway Grass!
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Old 6th Oct 2017, 05:59
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Originally Posted by Dropp the Pilot
What's all the yawing in aid of? Is this an Airbus technique - "in crosswinds, make repeated and random jabs at the controls in various axes to give the illusion that you as the pilot are directing the aircraft"
It's the 'Magenta Line' technique apparently
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Old 6th Oct 2017, 06:19
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Before pulling conclusions guys wait for investigations to be completed! Why not a sudden unexpected violent gust? Give them a chance come on this is a pilot forum not a Court!
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Old 6th Oct 2017, 08:04
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There's a dedicated PPRuNe thread for this A380 crosswind landing in Spotter's Corner.
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Old 6th Oct 2017, 08:24
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Its fairly obvious that whilst there was a significant crosswind component and it was gusty, there was a large rudder input to reduce the crab angle that exceeded what was actually required, its an elementary handling mistake, which if im guessing comes back to basic skills and capacity issues. Unless of course someone can explain to me why a transport aircraft is rudder limited below its xwind limitation, in which instance they would have been blown to the downwind side of the runway and not over corrected to the upwind side.
It happens when the PF stomps on the rudder.
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Old 6th Oct 2017, 09:32
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Originally Posted by White Knight View Post
It's the 'Magenta Line' technique apparently
Green Line
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Old 6th Oct 2017, 14:30
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Very revealing .... pio on a pos ....
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Old 6th Oct 2017, 14:43
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I have a question for those who know the A380 flight control system well enough.

There seems to be a lot of rudder movement well before the flare and touchdown. Is this just normal turn coordination from the EFCS, or do you think it's someone stomping on the pedals?
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Old 6th Oct 2017, 16:07
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V good glowie, an over-controlled crosswind landing for a guy with very little experience in that seat.

Lucky nobody captured the tractor heading bug uber-faff on film isn't it?
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Old 7th Oct 2017, 05:06
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Originally Posted by J.L.Seagull
Is this just normal turn coordination from the EFCS, or do you think it's someone stomping on the pedals?
No and Yes.....................
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Old 7th Oct 2017, 06:34
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Is this just normal turn coordination from the EFCS, or do you think it's someone stomping on the pedals?
Yes and No .....................
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