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Old 15th Sep 2017, 10:17
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Dxb-Dme info

Any info on what happened a few days ago to ek134 or 132 during approach at DME ? Rumors say aircraft at 500ft 8 miles out.
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 11:27
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check flight radar for ek131 on the 10th. whole story there for you

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/f.../ek131#eceac34
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 11:50
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Looks like things get a bit interesting from 17:53utc!

Probably a terrain escape manoeuvre, followed by a second approach that led to a go around, finally a landing off the third one. Was the weather that bad in Moscow recently?

Presume the guys are off the roster...
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 12:18
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clear.... as mud !
Could anybody explain pliz ?
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 12:30
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EK131

All I know is that the guys are grounded pending investigation but if anyone has more technical details it would be easier to understand what exactly happened.
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 16:39
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https://flightaware.com/live/flight/.../UUDD/tracklog


for more info - check time stamp 0953

doesnt say how far they are from the runway but they are not established on the loc yet due heading. not pretty. I guess it would have been dark. But still nice weather

UUDD 101900Z 21003MPS 170V230 CAVOK 14/11 Q1015 R88/010095 NOSIG

UUDD 101800Z 18004MPS CAVOK 15/11 Q1015 R88/010095 NOSIG

UUDD 101700Z 19003MPS 9999 FEW040 15/12 Q1016 R88/010095 NOSIG
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 19:59
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?

Let's wait for more info...
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 20:13
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They were probably composing an ASR about noise cancelling headsets, or coming up with a good excuse for loss of comms in Chinese airspace.
FWIW, I'm joking but from the outside looking in, I'd be surprised to learn if this was anything else than self inflicted in terms of training, resilience and culture.
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 20:23
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Originally Posted by falconeasydriver
FWIW, I'm joking
Don't know how 'training, resilience or culture' caused this one falcon but it's not going to be a joke for the two guys involved!
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 20:37
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This is serious stuff ! Close to CFIT ! It's not going to end well and as usual, it will be well hidden to the public, just like the 777 f...k up
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Old 16th Sep 2017, 00:52
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Someone forgot to convert to do the conversion and when cleared, "descend to 500m, cleared ILS 16_".

500m is 1600ft or 1700ft (depending on your referende source). I haven't operated a DME flight for a few months, but that a typical clearence from memory.
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Old 16th Sep 2017, 02:57
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That was very close to being a big smoking hole in the ground!
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Old 16th Sep 2017, 06:40
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Well not surprised within a company that selects trainers for how good they will be at being management puppets many with the minimum experience on the left seat (months sometimes) and an airline that upgrades people based on age??? instead of capabilities, experience and performance. Run through the law of fear and punishment, EK is past the downhill spiral now basically in a deep flat stall.
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A big 'gotcha' into UUDD is dialing the QFE into the altimeter rather than QNH. Not saying it happened here but it has caught out other crews previously!
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Old 16th Sep 2017, 06:43
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Originally Posted by aussiefarmer
with the minimum experience on the left seat (months sometimes)
Agree with you 100%. Some of the rubbish these guys spout is worrying!
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Old 16th Sep 2017, 10:52
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Originally Posted by aussiefarmer View Post
Well not surprised within a company that selects trainers for how good they will be at being management puppets many with the minimum experience on the left seat (months sometimes) and an airline that upgrades people based on age??? instead of capabilities, experience and performance. Run through the law of fear and punishment, EK is past the downhill spiral now basically in a deep flat stall.
...Run through the law of fear and punishment......

I don't know what the crew did...but I feel very sorry for them...I have a feeling they may be in a world of hurt.
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Old 16th Sep 2017, 17:06
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Don't know the full story yet, but I think its pretty early to blame Training as the cause. What happened to distance x 3 and all the pilot shit that we're supposed to do all the time? Were there other holes in the Swiss Cheese that affected that?
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Old 16th Sep 2017, 17:14
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Same pilot sh..t that they didn't do when they destroyed the 777 for no reason.... Poor passengers, if they only knew
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 02:06
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very odd series of events...
surely go ahead and blame those 'stupid pilots' ...

I wonder what the skippers workload was before the event...this, combined with possible massive inexperince in the rhs these days... (not an issue these days, right?).
As a tractor driver, I am surprised however that in situations like this one didn' t trigger some sort of alarm in the 380 before they were so low, given all the extra wistles and bells in the cockpit...
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Old 17th Sep 2017, 02:21
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Do pilot shti? Do pilot shti? That is part of the problem. You are not allowed to do pilot stuff in EK. You have to recite endless SOPs and follow them regardless, if you don't, the fear and punishment clause will take over. If the boys on the 777 had used some common sense, and done a bit of pilot stuff, they would have landed safely, taxied in with a perfect aircraft and gone home.
But the fear and punishment clause in their heads was stronger than the common sense/do pilot stuff, and we all know the result.
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