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Old 16th Aug 2017, 22:42
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I'm almost certain command opportunity would've been available at EK and the likes, however in the cases of the guys who I've flown with, it's quite unlikely that their 'seniority' would've have had them anywhere near a command course in or around their time of departure. I know this as I am aware of previous colleagues from my last outfit who joined EK maybe 6-7 years ago and they have just seen an upgrade in the last 12 months or so (B777).

Whilst not everyone is suited to the left seat, I can recognise command potential and these guy's had it. Neither would have touched command in Dubai as they had simply had their fill. With their jet time, anything between 18 to 24 months could see them, potentially, embarking upon a short haul command upgrade with my operator. Probably round about the same time as they'd be embarking upon a CU if they'd remained in the ME.

I've done this job long enough to be able to filter out the BS when it's being line fed. Unfortunately I've heard enough & seen enough about the sandpit to know why particular people are desperate to leave. Regardless of their command ability or opportunity.

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Old 17th Aug 2017, 15:35
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I do understand that EK has a lot of issues to adress, but to go to Wizz and fly as hard as EK and only earn half as captain what an EK FO makes is crazy! Forget that you will get any good bases new Captains end up in places like Craiova, Iashi, and god knows of any other Shitholes you can imagine in Eastern Europe/Former SSSR! My friends that commute to western Europe for free, it takes up to 20 hours to get home via Luton or Dortmund. No matter what you think of sandpit its still 100 times better in Dubai! But if your plan is to gett 500h on A320 and then leave thats the only wise idea joining Wizz. But do remember it will still take you at least 1 year if you are direct entry.

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Old 20th Aug 2017, 08:26
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anyone who attend
What did they say, offer?

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Old 24th Aug 2017, 10:04
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Their recruitment team managed to make a few FOs consider it for all of 10 minutes. There was tons more interest when QR came to town.
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Old 25th Aug 2017, 07:33
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It actually wasn't such a terrible package. Like anywhere it had its weaknesses but it also had benefits.

Horses for Courses I say.
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Old 25th Aug 2017, 15:10
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Just out of interest, how much do they pay?
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Old 25th Aug 2017, 19:54
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Depends on your position, your base, your experience, your sector numbers. I got anywhere between 4500 and 10500 EURs after taxes, social security and other deductions. 4500 as a brand new cpt with around 30 sectors, and 10000 with a bit more experience (10 line training days + 4000hours CPT experience at Wzz, working max hours)
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 00:10
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It's an average of 5000 to 7000 for new captains increasing to around 8000 to 10000 after 6 years. Then if you get LTC or management pilot you can add 1000-2000 more. If you then have a monthly expense of 800-1500 euros it's not too bad afterall, living in Europe. It's not all about the money on the account at the beginning of the month, but in the end of it which counts...people tend to forget about that.
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 06:49
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You will never make anywhere close to 10000 in wizzair. Gross maybe, but not even that.
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 07:49
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Originally Posted by dirk85 View Post
You will never make anywhere close to 10000 in wizzair. Gross maybe, but not even that.
I know already a few people who gets that so it's correct. But they are also LTC. You will have to work for it though, many hours and sectors so it won't happen in every base.
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 15:49
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Sure, maybe the one month in the year when they fly 120 block hours and 80 sectors, a TRI/TRE make that money, gross. Maybe.
Then there is the small problem called taxes and social security, which the majority of the western pilots in wizz happily decide to ignore. Until the taxman comes knocking at their nice house in London or Germany.
10000 is certainly not representative of the average monthly pay, and anybody saying otherwise is wrong.
Ask them to show you the payslip.

And before you ask, I worked there, so I know more than a few people, and I know the contracts offered, with all the tricks involved.
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 15:58
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Originally Posted by dirk85 View Post
Sure, maybe the one month in the year when they fly 120 block hours and 80 sectors, a TRI/TRE make that money, gross. Maybe.
Then there is the small problem called taxes and social security, which the majority of the western pilots in wizz happily decide to ignore. Until the taxman comes knocking at their nice house in London or Germany.
10000 is certainly not representative of the average monthly pay, and anybody saying otherwise is wrong.
Ask them to show you the payslip.

And before you ask, I worked there, so I know more than a few people, and I know the contracts offered, with all the tricks involved.
That is why I wrote from 8000-10000 because it depends on the sectors and the position, but 10k net is possible, not taking into account your own problems with taxes and social security in your "home country".
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 16:12
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If you say so.

On average, people should count on not much more than half of that for a normal Cpt, and they won't be disappointed.
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 16:27
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Originally Posted by dirk85 View Post
If you say so.

On average, people should count on not much more than half of that for a normal Cpt, and they won't be disappointed.
Well I guess you didn't read my initial post since I actually stated what you just replied now, for new captains...
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 17:15
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That's the thing, reading what you wrote there people might assume a Captain after 6 years makes that money. That is false, as I pointed out.
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 17:20
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Originally Posted by dirk85 View Post
That's the thing, reading what you wrote there people might assume a Captain after 6 years makes that money. That is false, as I pointed out.
It's not false if those criteria are met as I wrote previously, you even agree on it by saying "if you say so". I know people in the company, most likely not the ones that you know, so it's a fact, and people who read this should know that you can get this money in end. Again after many years and people will most likely leave before that...
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Old 30th Aug 2017, 18:45
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I was bring sarcastic.

Being 900 hours the yearly limit, and 400 the average number of sectors flown, emphatizing what you can make flying 120 hours with 60 sectors in a month is useless, unless you also specify that the rest of the months you would get just slightly more than the basic salary.

And still this is all without paying for social insurance, pension and income taxes.

End of discussion for me.
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