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Old 20th Jun 2017, 05:18
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I see those losers at Boeing have just released a new airplane and the tag line is "the lowest operating costs in history for a single-aisle airliner".

What? no shower? no staircase? no petting zoo?

I predict a dismal future for this device.
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Old 20th Jun 2017, 06:13
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Boeings “new“ aircraft certainly shows how good their designers were in the 50s and 60s. To still have the same variant being sold today is an incredible feat.
The 737 seems to have more come backs than the Rocky movie.
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Old 20th Jun 2017, 11:15
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but it will be a twin aisle with single aisle operating costs
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Old 23rd Jun 2017, 03:39
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Originally Posted by atakacs View Post
The non retrofit is puzzling... And what technology enhancements made this all the sudden possible (vs being part of the initial design)?!
Winglets - at least winglets that do any good - change the wing loadings and require significant structural mods. A buddy of mine worked the Aviation Partners winglets that are installed on 757/767. According to him, the wing structural mods needed cost upwards of $1 million per airframe to retrofit and several weeks down time (usually performed during heavy maintenance to minimize the impact).
Winglets are not a bolt-on retrofit...
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Originally Posted by tdracer View Post
Winglets - at least winglets that do any good - change the wing loadings and require significant structural mods. A buddy of mine worked the Aviation Partners winglets that are installed on 757/767. According to him, the wing structural mods needed cost upwards of $1 million per airframe to retrofit and several weeks down time (usually performed during heavy maintenance to minimize the impact).
Winglets are not a bolt-on retrofit...
very true that....big job
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Old 23rd Jun 2017, 05:38
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Originally Posted by ironbutt57 View Post
very true that....big job
And there's no possible way EK could ever find the time to do such mods, given how little downtime there is in the Dugong fleet, and how rare it is too see even one of them over at the hangars
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Old 23rd Jun 2017, 07:18
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Originally Posted by aeropix View Post
And there's no possible way EK could ever find the time to do such mods, given how little downtime there is in the Dugong fleet, and how rare it is too see even one of them over at the hangars

I'm always amazed. I'll fly "my" A380 on a Monday, and then the following Monday I may fly her again and she has 100+ hours on her since the week before. A380 downtime is definitely at a premium at EK, making winglet installs difficult from a downtime standpoint, even if it was an option.
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Old 23rd Jun 2017, 09:12
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Originally Posted by Desert snake View Post
They could make it even more efficient by chopping the top deck off and losing 2 engines.
LOL ! Basically a 777/350.
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Old 23rd Jun 2017, 09:55
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I'm always amazed. I'll fly "my" A380 on a Monday, and then the following Monday I may fly her again and she has 100+ hours on her since the week before. A380 downtime is definitely at a premium at EK, making winglet installs difficult from a downtime standpoint, even if it was an option.
Maybe there are 50 hours of towing time included in the 100+ ......
But if your statement is anywhere near the truth, then to whom do all the 15 to 20 dugongs belong that are stacked in the Northside boneyard? They have not been there 6 months ago and they would have a hard time achieving your 14h+ a day if parked over there half the time. I know it's a Wunderbus, but as i always said, even for this marvel of engineering (or copy of the 25 year old MD12 plan) normal laws of physics still apply.
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Old 23rd Jun 2017, 14:57
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Originally Posted by glofish View Post
Maybe there are 50 hours of towing time included in the 100+ ......
But if your statement is anywhere near the truth, then to whom do all the 15 to 20 dugongs belong that are stacked in the Northside boneyard? They have not been there 6 months ago and they would have a hard time achieving your 14h+ a day if parked over there half the time. I know it's a Wunderbus, but as i always said, even for this marvel of engineering (or copy of the 25 year old MD12 plan) normal laws of physics still apply.
A6-EEU last 7 day schedule:

DXB - GRU 13:51
GRU - DXB 14:28
DXB - AKL 15:35
AKL - DXB 16:07
DXB - MXP 5:55
MXP - JFK 8:24
JFK - MXP 6:46
MXP - DXB 5:29
DXB - LAX 15:46
LAX - DXB: 15:59

Total: 118:20
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Old 23rd Jun 2017, 16:04
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Originally Posted by A6EchoEchoUniform View Post
A6-EEU last 7 day schedule:

DXB - GRU 13:51
GRU - DXB 14:28
DXB - AKL 15:35
AKL - DXB 16:07
DXB - MXP 5:55
MXP - JFK 8:24
JFK - MXP 6:46
MXP - DXB 5:29
DXB - LAX 15:46
LAX - DXB: 15:59

Total: 118:20
Only 94 other airframes to go.........
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Old 24th Jun 2017, 06:27
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Honestly, every post regarding the A380 sees a onslaught of handbags at dawn from the haters.

I personally don't know any 380 driver who dislikes the aircraft. I am told that most passengers and Boeing pilots prefer to travel on the A380. I'm told that if Commercial can "fill" the aircraft then it's a good money maker over 7hrs.

Summary, it is once again jealous Boeing pilots whose light twin attitude is brought here to try to give the "mine is better than yours" argument. IF tickets are priced right and the 380 is filled then it's very profitable, blame commercial, not the aircraft for losses.

Have a good weekend

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Old 24th Jun 2017, 09:00
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Im not an A380 expert, but believe the wing root is over engineered to accommodate a future fuselage stretch. Therefore, I think winglets could be added on, assuming the spar is also over strength?
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Old 24th Jun 2017, 10:34
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Originally Posted by Avid Aviator View Post
Im not an A380 expert, but believe the wing root is over engineered to accommodate a future fuselage stretch. Therefore, I think winglets could be added on, assuming the spar is also over strength?
Yes the wing was designed for the -900 or the higher weight (-800)F.
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Old 24th Jun 2017, 11:05
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Sorry Jack, Just pointing out that EEU can post the flights of one a/c and call the rest of the fleet hours good. He's delusional, as are the rest who claim we don't have reduced utilization on the 380 fleet.
It's a great a/c and does really well when full but 142 of 'em... Really ??????

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Old 24th Jun 2017, 13:10
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In the last week I flew on the A380 for the first time, cattle class, LHR-DXB and DXB-HKT, back to back, the first sector on the big fella (EA donks), the second on the Trip (GE donks).

Having no preference or preconceptions of either, I can make the following unbiased observations:
1. The A380 is a palpably better experience for legroom, shoulder room and just a feeling of more space.

2. Stick your A380plus up your backside, 11 abreast for up to 16 hours? No thanks.

3. The A380 was noticeably quieter during taxi, takeoff and cruise. Both flights were roughly seats near the starboard fans in terms of front/back of the aircraft.

4. I completely get the superior freight lift of the B77W, and am aware that its a better profit tool than the whale.

5. A serious recession would possibly kick Emirates very hard, if they fly half empty A380s. On my flight, as its entering low season at HKT, the DXB-HKT sector was much quieter - wonder if they ship much freight on this route, or if STC regrets cancelling the A350 order after all...
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Old 24th Jun 2017, 17:54
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Originally Posted by Instant Hooligan View Post
Sorry Jack, Just pointing out that EEU can post the flights of one a/c and call the rest of the fleet hours good. He's delusional, as are the rest who claim we don't have reduced utilization on the 380 fleet.
It's a great a/c and does really well when full but 142 of 'em... Really ??????

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If you're correct, then we should be seeing a reduced number of monthly hours as pilots on the A380 fleet. Fewer airplanes would mean fewer monthly hours flown, right? I'm sure not.
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Old 24th Jun 2017, 18:03
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A6-EDA 7 day history

DXB - MRU 6:00
MEU - DXB 6:15
DXB - NRT 9:20
NRT - DXB 10:12
DXB - MUC 6:03
MUC - DWC 5:45
DWC - DXB 00:21
DXB - MEL 12:47
MEL - AKL 3:07
AKL - SYD 2:44
SYD - BKK 9:02
BKK - DXB 5:45
DXB - JFK 13:21
JFK - DXB 11:49
DXB - PER 10:25
PER - DXB 10:10

Total 123:08 in 7 day period.

I have picked two random A380's and they're both flying roughly the same hours in a 7 day period. How many more would you like me to pick before you too start to see that in fact A380 fleet hours are stable, if not increased?
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Old 24th Jun 2017, 20:15
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Originally Posted by A6EchoEchoUniform View Post
A6-EDA 7 day history

DXB - MRU 6:00
MEU - DXB 6:15
DXB - NRT 9:20
NRT - DXB 10:12
DXB - MUC 6:03
MUC - DWC 5:45
DWC - DXB 00:21
DXB - MEL 12:47
MEL - AKL 3:07
AKL - SYD 2:44
SYD - BKK 9:02
BKK - DXB 5:45
DXB - JFK 13:21
JFK - DXB 11:49
DXB - PER 10:25
PER - DXB 10:10

Total 123:08 in 7 day period.

I have picked two random A380's and they're both flying roughly the same hours in a 7 day period. How many more would you like me to pick before you too start to see that in fact A380 fleet hours are stable, if not increased?
How many more? The entire fleet...... or would that not prove your point?????????? 2 a/c really????????????



Never mind EEU, you're right the 380 is fine. Everything is golden!
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Old 24th Jun 2017, 20:47
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Sorry boys, but what's the point? Why go through the trouble of listing how many hours a whale flies? And for the Tractor guys, why go through the trouble of trying to shoot his arguments down???

We fly them out. We fly them back. Empty or full.
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