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Old 17th May 2017, 17:57
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EK Cargo

EK Cargo 28 days on and 15 days off! Real or just smoke?
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Old 17th May 2017, 18:54
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Strange as the natural combo would be 42 days e.g. 28 and 14 then it's easier to roll
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Old 18th May 2017, 06:46
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Originally Posted by Mr Angry from Purley View Post
Strange as the natural combo would be 42 days e.g. 28 and 14 then it's easier to roll
Yes but.........we all know 42, is really just 30!
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Old 23rd May 2017, 19:08
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For the EK guys and gals

My first post here. Have been offered an interview and the cargo contract might be interesting for me. Note I said might.
But what really is behind the 15 days off? Is it really a comuting thing?
Please all insights from you would be really appreciated.
Safe flights,
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Old 23rd May 2017, 19:26
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Originally Posted by Matulee084 View Post
My first post here. Have been offered an interview and the cargo contract might be interesting for me. Note I said might.
But what really is behind the 15 days off? Is it really a comuting thing?
Please all insights from you would be really appreciated.
Safe flights,
Well to start with, it's 28/13 not 28/15...
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Old 24th May 2017, 02:18
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The internal cargo contract never mentioned once that it was a commuting contract.

There was also no part of the T&C's that mention (the most important part of cummuting contracts)......tickets.

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Old 24th May 2017, 06:14
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Matulee

The Cargo offer/"contract" is exactly that, a C-scale offer from a desperate EK for even more desperate pilots.

Our A-scale has been eroded from day 1, is effectively a B-minus-scale today. The conditions/"contract" have been disregarded, disrespected and changed unilaterally from day 1.
Today it is a slim shadow of what ii once was.

Take the offered conditions and multiply it with our shared experience of our initial A-scale on here.
That should give you a concise picture of what you'll be facing in a very short period after you have joined.

If you can live with that, be our guest. My bet is that after that very short period you'll feel tricked, stuck, left alone (from all sides) and extremely exhausted.
Not worth the change in my opinion.
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Old 25th May 2017, 00:59
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Thanks a lot everybody for your advices. I am trying to find something more attractive somewhere but the way things are going down the drain where I live, maybe I will be forced to take this one, IF I pass the screening process, of course.
I though I could use the tickets to comute to and from my hometown ( there's a direct flight) but, as you said, they can change everything at their will.
Would it be too naive to ask you if acomodations in Dubai would be offered on the " Cargo Contract". Is it possible to rent some kind of crash pad around town ?
I have also applied to the other airline on the other side of the desert but they seem to be waiting on the Alitalia guys and, if honored, the possibility to commute word really be a plus for me. And beside that, I hate China.
One more thing, I'm not that young anymore. Do you think that joining at 45 would preclude me from advancing to captain someday? ( 8 or 10 more years?)
Besides all the cons, it would still be good to share the cockpit with you guys.
Wish you the best luck and blue skies,

Matulee.
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Old 27th May 2017, 19:37
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Looks like the only commuting option in the ME... so far! And EK has always been the leading example in the area.
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Old 28th May 2017, 00:57
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Nope ,Saudia has a 20/10 contract with a much better pay scale.
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Old 30th May 2017, 06:32
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New FCN out "amending" whats on offer from the freighter contract!

If I read between the lines correctly it is STILL a 15% pay cut to be used to fly the line when needed (as in all the time!)

Now IF they make it an EXCLUSIVE and NO CROSSOVER to line flying................................
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Old 30th May 2017, 06:38
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now with
1. worldwide educational allowance
2. company accommodation or 12500 (CA) 11000 (FO) AED accommodation allowance + Hotel in Dubai during work cycle.
3. Provident Fund.
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Old 30th May 2017, 07:11
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It's a step in the right direction.
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Old 30th May 2017, 07:54
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It's a step in the right direction only. A reduction in accom allowance is understandable while the basic reduction is not. It's not my fault the company will only fly me 600 hours per year rather than 899 while I am essentially sitting reserve in rogue outstations with a fluid schedule.

Keep all the conditions the same, hotel accom while in dubai, reduction in accom allowance (much like whats being offered), and a business class cat C return ticket for every 13 day off period and there may be alot of takers.
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Old 30th May 2017, 09:24
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Your doing less than 900hrs??

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Old 30th May 2017, 10:13
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Did you forget the factoring?
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Old 30th May 2017, 10:26
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http://www.emiratesgroupcareers.com/pilots/
now with
1. worldwide educational allowance
2. company accommodation or 12500 (CA) 11000 (FO) AED accommodation allowance + Hotel in Dubai during work cycle.
3. Provident Fund.
The website now shows company accommodation or allowance.

No mention of provident fund only end of service benefit.

Why would they pay an accommodation allowance and give you a hotel in Dubai?
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Old 30th May 2017, 10:40
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According to the email it is either company accom or allowance or hotel in dxb during work cycle
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Old 30th May 2017, 11:00
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"Why would they pay an accommodation allowance and give you a hotel in Dubai?"

Read the email again.

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Old 30th May 2017, 11:54
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Indeed, it's certainly a step in the correct direction. However, why would anyone want the hassle, worry or cost of locating flights to/from Dubai, quite possibly utilizing a port not particularly convenient.

Additionally, surely the nature of cargo flying involves quite some positioning and increased duty times. The 15% wage reduction is nothing but an insult. Typically cargo carriers pay crew a premium owing to the nature of the work.

If the take up is again low and resignations continue at the current rate, there will be little choice other than to increase the package, which is well overdue, for all.
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