EK Cargo
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From: Gotham City
For the EK guys and gals
My first post here. Have been offered an interview and the cargo contract might be interesting for me. Note I said might.
But what really is behind the 15 days off? Is it really a comuting thing?
Please all insights from you would be really appreciated.
Safe flights,
But what really is behind the 15 days off? Is it really a comuting thing?
Please all insights from you would be really appreciated.
Safe flights,
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From: Up in the air
Well to start with, it's 28/13 not 28/15...
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From: Eternal Beach
The internal cargo contract never mentioned once that it was a commuting contract.
There was also no part of the T&C's that mention (the most important part of cummuting contracts)......tickets.
halas
There was also no part of the T&C's that mention (the most important part of cummuting contracts)......tickets.
halas
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From: earth
Matulee
The Cargo offer/"contract" is exactly that, a C-scale offer from a desperate EK for even more desperate pilots.
Our A-scale has been eroded from day 1, is effectively a B-minus-scale today. The conditions/"contract" have been disregarded, disrespected and changed unilaterally from day 1.
Today it is a slim shadow of what ii once was.
Take the offered conditions and multiply it with our shared experience of our initial A-scale on here.
That should give you a concise picture of what you'll be facing in a very short period after you have joined.
If you can live with that, be our guest. My bet is that after that very short period you'll feel tricked, stuck, left alone (from all sides) and extremely exhausted.
Not worth the change in my opinion.
The Cargo offer/"contract" is exactly that, a C-scale offer from a desperate EK for even more desperate pilots.
Our A-scale has been eroded from day 1, is effectively a B-minus-scale today. The conditions/"contract" have been disregarded, disrespected and changed unilaterally from day 1.
Today it is a slim shadow of what ii once was.
Take the offered conditions and multiply it with our shared experience of our initial A-scale on here.
That should give you a concise picture of what you'll be facing in a very short period after you have joined.
If you can live with that, be our guest. My bet is that after that very short period you'll feel tricked, stuck, left alone (from all sides) and extremely exhausted.
Not worth the change in my opinion.
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From: Gotham City
Thanks a lot everybody for your advices. I am trying to find something more attractive somewhere but the way things are going down the drain where I live, maybe I will be forced to take this one, IF I pass the screening process, of course.
I though I could use the tickets to comute to and from my hometown ( there's a direct flight) but, as you said, they can change everything at their will.
Would it be too naive to ask you if acomodations in Dubai would be offered on the " Cargo Contract". Is it possible to rent some kind of crash pad around town ?
I have also applied to the other airline on the other side of the desert but they seem to be waiting on the Alitalia guys and, if honored, the possibility to commute word really be a plus for me. And beside that, I hate China.
One more thing, I'm not that young anymore. Do you think that joining at 45 would preclude me from advancing to captain someday? ( 8 or 10 more years?)
Besides all the cons, it would still be good to share the cockpit with you guys.
Wish you the best luck and blue skies,
Matulee.
I though I could use the tickets to comute to and from my hometown ( there's a direct flight) but, as you said, they can change everything at their will.
Would it be too naive to ask you if acomodations in Dubai would be offered on the " Cargo Contract". Is it possible to rent some kind of crash pad around town ?
I have also applied to the other airline on the other side of the desert but they seem to be waiting on the Alitalia guys and, if honored, the possibility to commute word really be a plus for me. And beside that, I hate China.
One more thing, I'm not that young anymore. Do you think that joining at 45 would preclude me from advancing to captain someday? ( 8 or 10 more years?)
Besides all the cons, it would still be good to share the cockpit with you guys.
Wish you the best luck and blue skies,
Matulee.
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From: uk
New FCN out "amending" whats on offer from the freighter contract!
If I read between the lines correctly it is STILL a 15% pay cut to be used to fly the line when needed (as in all the time!
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Now IF they make it an EXCLUSIVE and NO CROSSOVER to line flying................................
If I read between the lines correctly it is STILL a 15% pay cut to be used to fly the line when needed (as in all the time!
)Now IF they make it an EXCLUSIVE and NO CROSSOVER to line flying................................
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From: timbuktu
It's a step in the right direction only. A reduction in accom allowance is understandable while the basic reduction is not. It's not my fault the company will only fly me 600 hours per year rather than 899 while I am essentially sitting reserve in rogue outstations with a fluid schedule.
Keep all the conditions the same, hotel accom while in dubai, reduction in accom allowance (much like whats being offered), and a business class cat C return ticket for every 13 day off period and there may be alot of takers.
Keep all the conditions the same, hotel accom while in dubai, reduction in accom allowance (much like whats being offered), and a business class cat C return ticket for every 13 day off period and there may be alot of takers.
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From: Brisvegas
http://www.emiratesgroupcareers.com/pilots/
The website now shows company accommodation or allowance.
No mention of provident fund only end of service benefit.
Why would they pay an accommodation allowance and give you a hotel in Dubai?
now with
1. worldwide educational allowance
2. company accommodation or 12500 (CA) 11000 (FO) AED accommodation allowance + Hotel in Dubai during work cycle.
3. Provident Fund.
1. worldwide educational allowance
2. company accommodation or 12500 (CA) 11000 (FO) AED accommodation allowance + Hotel in Dubai during work cycle.
3. Provident Fund.
No mention of provident fund only end of service benefit.
Why would they pay an accommodation allowance and give you a hotel in Dubai?
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From: UK
Indeed, it's certainly a step in the correct direction. However, why would anyone want the hassle, worry or cost of locating flights to/from Dubai, quite possibly utilizing a port not particularly convenient.
Additionally, surely the nature of cargo flying involves quite some positioning and increased duty times. The 15% wage reduction is nothing but an insult. Typically cargo carriers pay crew a premium owing to the nature of the work.
If the take up is again low and resignations continue at the current rate, there will be little choice other than to increase the package, which is well overdue, for all.
Additionally, surely the nature of cargo flying involves quite some positioning and increased duty times. The 15% wage reduction is nothing but an insult. Typically cargo carriers pay crew a premium owing to the nature of the work.
If the take up is again low and resignations continue at the current rate, there will be little choice other than to increase the package, which is well overdue, for all.