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"Take it or leave it "is the music playing at the moment and that's why guys are leaving.No reason to complaint...organise yourself and get ready to go like many guys are doing.Airbus fleet is a no go in my opinion....If you join It you are going to fly like hell with 7-8 days off/month.The near future will see airbus fleets flying to the subcontinent and the gulf while the super one together with Boeings going to the good places .Layover allowances are based according to the continent you fly to...guess who make less money.You see people everyday going to work as they would go on holiday and people going for the 6th consecutive day of work before their SINGLE day off or something close to that ...facts!
No rewards for the hard workers in terms of fleet change at least everybody would swallow the same crap...you joined on the wrong fleet or you where not enough connected...shame on you.
Now ask yourself these questions and make up your mind to find if it is Worth staying/joining...
Can you see yourself lasting a career timeframe getting 7-8days off,consecutive nights or early morning, late nights and minimum rest 80%of your yearly roster ?Is it worth staying and going to work when you are aware that there are different standards of living according to the Fleet you are on And no matter how bad it is you will only get by your managers these words"yes we know it is hard work"to make you happy at that particular moment.Yes they have to be blamed but unfortunately the kind of operations airbus fleets are involved into do not allow any major improvement so once again....Provided the basic standards of living are guaranteed(personal security ,social security,healthcare,schooling etc)If you have to struggle and work your back off Would you rather be doing it at home or where you really get rewarded?
Thankfully life is still good and too short so you better think about it
No rewards for the hard workers in terms of fleet change at least everybody would swallow the same crap...you joined on the wrong fleet or you where not enough connected...shame on you.
Now ask yourself these questions and make up your mind to find if it is Worth staying/joining...
Can you see yourself lasting a career timeframe getting 7-8days off,consecutive nights or early morning, late nights and minimum rest 80%of your yearly roster ?Is it worth staying and going to work when you are aware that there are different standards of living according to the Fleet you are on And no matter how bad it is you will only get by your managers these words"yes we know it is hard work"to make you happy at that particular moment.Yes they have to be blamed but unfortunately the kind of operations airbus fleets are involved into do not allow any major improvement so once again....Provided the basic standards of living are guaranteed(personal security ,social security,healthcare,schooling etc)If you have to struggle and work your back off Would you rather be doing it at home or where you really get rewarded?
Thankfully life is still good and too short so you better think about it
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^^what he said again. So sad. So true. Thankyou for telling it how it really is. A320 life at the unmentionable has not improved since its introduction many years ago. Join on the 320 and it's a death sentence 
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Dixi, im under the assumption you are primarily talking about the unnamed airline, which from my sources tell me as well, is indeed a tough roster on the a320. The 320 is a workhorse in the middle east and i completely agree that they will start using the a320 on more medium haul routes like eastern europe because they would pay thier crew half what it would cost to operate a 777/350 on the route. i wanted to know how long have you and EY_Airbus been on the 320? Does seniority play a role and are you looking to upgrade fleet or to captain? From a few friends i have they tell me they are just waiting to upgrade - either fleet or to captain for a bit.
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Let me clarify for you what I mean by 'death sentence'. Time frames can vary but it is not uncommon to follow this career path:
Enter EY as 320 FO. 2 years later get 330 CCQ. Remain 320/330 FO for another 2 years. Upgrade to Captain - go back to 320 single fleet. 2 years later get 330 CCQ. Remain 320/330 PIC for another 2 years. Now move to 350 (maybe). Do the math: that's 8 years consecutive on the 320. Gaining a 320/300 qualification is not an 'upgrade'. Remember you can be 320/330 and fly the 330 once every 2 months. Somge get lucky, some don't. Having the 320 on your licence is like a disease that won't go away and keeps kicking you in the ass.
Enter EY as 320 FO. 2 years later get 330 CCQ. Remain 320/330 FO for another 2 years. Upgrade to Captain - go back to 320 single fleet. 2 years later get 330 CCQ. Remain 320/330 PIC for another 2 years. Now move to 350 (maybe). Do the math: that's 8 years consecutive on the 320. Gaining a 320/300 qualification is not an 'upgrade'. Remember you can be 320/330 and fly the 330 once every 2 months. Somge get lucky, some don't. Having the 320 on your licence is like a disease that won't go away and keeps kicking you in the ass.
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Ah - well said, makes sense now. Mixed fleet flying can be advantageous but i can see how the airline is cashing in their favor to cover their a320 schedule! Sad to see, if the unnamed airline is a choice for some, i would only apply as DE long haul fleet.
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To the dude who sent me an email:
I cannot PM you for some reason, so here are your andwers:
- EY has 787 sim and you will probably do your assessment on it
- I recommend taking the housing allowance over company accomodation, but you will be out of pocket probably considering you have wife and kids
- discounted tickets after 3 or 6 months in company I can't remember
- discounted tickets for life? never read anything official but have heard something about 10 years....but I think by 5 you will want to pull the pin anyway
Good luck
- EY has 787 sim and you will probably do your assessment on it
- I recommend taking the housing allowance over company accomodation, but you will be out of pocket probably considering you have wife and kids
- discounted tickets after 3 or 6 months in company I can't remember
- discounted tickets for life? never read anything official but have heard something about 10 years....but I think by 5 you will want to pull the pin anyway
Good luck
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stay at home and become a captain....
wanna see the world?
stay at home and become a captain, after 1500PIC on a 737 you can easily join as a DEC on 777/787 anywhere in S.E.A region.
Home + PIC 737 = Happiness.
Expat + DEC on 777/787 after your PIC 737 = Happiness .
FO 4 years(that's if you're lucky maybe much longer) + another 2-4 years as NB captain ... = ....?
wanna see the world?
stay at home and become a captain, after 1500PIC on a 737 you can easily join as a DEC on 777/787 anywhere in S.E.A region.
Home + PIC 737 = Happiness.
Expat + DEC on 777/787 after your PIC 737 = Happiness .
FO 4 years(that's if you're lucky maybe much longer) + another 2-4 years as NB captain ... = ....?
