Stay away from Emirates. (EK)
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Originally Posted by nolimitholdem
A somewhat wide topic, so hard to debate. People will always argue about the definition of "professionalism", and it's beyond the scope of this thread. But I will say, that social media - rightly or wrongly - is more often associated with things like Kardashian and Trump tweets and self-absorbed millennials posting selfies than anything of substance. Surely that's not an inaccurate statement?
BTW, here is the Instagram account of someone who's a better stick n rudder pilot anyone of us will ever be (just to show you can have a strong social media presence and still be professional): https://www.instagram.com/hannesarch/
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Originally Posted by lospilotos
BTW, here is the Instagram account of someone who's a better stick n rudder pilot anyone of us will ever be (just to show you can have a strong social media presence and still be professional): https://www.instagram.com/hannesarch/
As for being happy, that's great. If he is genuinely content then that's excellent. It's how he's making the rest of the world view us as professionals that I don't like.
I really don't see how anyone can defend the guy. If what he's doing isn't unprofessional then I don't know what is and he's embarrassing the rest of us.
Pards
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1. Oxy Mask On
2. Establish communication with Instagram.
3. Take picture of ecam.
4. Take picture of self.
5. If hair damaged.... filter with care.
6. Initiate upload.
7. Followers....notify.
Limitations: Night time. L'Oreal. Girlfriend. Brain.
2. Establish communication with Instagram.
3. Take picture of ecam.
4. Take picture of self.
5. If hair damaged.... filter with care.
6. Initiate upload.
7. Followers....notify.
Limitations: Night time. L'Oreal. Girlfriend. Brain.
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Still can't understand how he's affecting your so called professionalism. I think this forum and attacks on colleagues does that well enough. Other professionals don't attack those of the same profession let alone same company. And if you think he is the only commercial pilot on social media you should check again: There are BA, Qatar, Easyjet, Virgin, Etihad, and lots of other EK pilots on Instagram (ps. some of them are even in their 50's and not millenials!) and unless they are stuffed in a hat rack or hiding in the galley stowage I can't see much harm done to the profession, rather most of them are educating aspiring pilots on aircraft procedures. If they take a selfie then thats up to them, can't see why there's so much hate for a photo of oneself honestly guys. What a thread drift...
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If you saw photos on social media of a lawyer in court or a doctor taking selfies in the operating room, would you think they are professional or would it taint the way you looked upon that profession?
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BTW, here is the Instagram account of someone who's a better stick n rudder pilot anyone of us will ever be (just to show you can have a strong social media presence and still be professional): https://www.instagram.com/hannesarch/
Nice pictures but not a good example Hannes Arch died in a helicopter accident just over a month ago...
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And you think there aren't doctors taking selfies in the operating room? Maybe he's not taking shots during the actual operation but there are famous doctors that talk about operating procedures and take a selfie in the OR. Plus there are actually reality shows filming during actual procedures so I can imagine what you would think of that.
The selfie in the flight deck is not taken during critical phases, yet on ground. There are other airline pilots taking videos during take off and landing...I think that would be considered worse than a selfie planning a route. :/
As for lawyers...one cannot take photos in court as its illegal, though trust me I'm sure if they could out of all professions a lawyer would be the first to snap himself in action. Don't you think?
At the end of the day I think some people need to look at other professions with a more open mind rather than think that theirs is the worst of all and the most disrespected. Like all professions there are those that are professional and those that are not. It's normal. But I think there's a fine line between professional and not....
I mean look at Donald Trump...he's running for the most important job in the world yet a little less than half the most advanced country in the world believe he is a professional. Hence, opinions will always vary.
The selfie in the flight deck is not taken during critical phases, yet on ground. There are other airline pilots taking videos during take off and landing...I think that would be considered worse than a selfie planning a route. :/
As for lawyers...one cannot take photos in court as its illegal, though trust me I'm sure if they could out of all professions a lawyer would be the first to snap himself in action. Don't you think?
At the end of the day I think some people need to look at other professions with a more open mind rather than think that theirs is the worst of all and the most disrespected. Like all professions there are those that are professional and those that are not. It's normal. But I think there's a fine line between professional and not....
I mean look at Donald Trump...he's running for the most important job in the world yet a little less than half the most advanced country in the world believe he is a professional. Hence, opinions will always vary.
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Proves our point really.
EK is now only suited to selfie loving twenty-somethings who have come to fly fancy jets, do the girls (or boys) and drive fast cars. All part of the pretend online lifestyle.
No wonder they are prepared to take all this [email protected]
Here for a good time. Not for a long time.
I weep for the future!
EK is now only suited to selfie loving twenty-somethings who have come to fly fancy jets, do the girls (or boys) and drive fast cars. All part of the pretend online lifestyle.
No wonder they are prepared to take all this [email protected]
Here for a good time. Not for a long time.
I weep for the future!
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On what planet is a selfie taken while wearing a full face oxygen mask either appropriate or professional?
I know and you know it wasn't taken during an actual emergency but this is all about public perception and the public will perceive a muppet whose first thought during an emergency is, "Cool! I'll have to get a selfie of this!"
I know and you know it wasn't taken during an actual emergency but this is all about public perception and the public will perceive a muppet whose first thought during an emergency is, "Cool! I'll have to get a selfie of this!"
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Show me the Instagram accounts of these doctors taking operating room selfies and I'll ensure I don't allow them to operate on myself or my family.
We simply cannot expect to be considered professionals when clowns like this are who the public see represent us.
In my opinion there is a difference between a commercially produced documentary with cameras in the flight deck - where we come across as and are perceived as professionals - and an attention seeking numpty posting selfies.
We simply cannot expect to be considered professionals when clowns like this are who the public see represent us.
In my opinion there is a difference between a commercially produced documentary with cameras in the flight deck - where we come across as and are perceived as professionals - and an attention seeking numpty posting selfies.
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I thought this thread was astroturf recruitment essay writing contest for costa dwellers. Not many winners.
About professionalism, it is up to an individual to make private information public for any reason, some do for kicks, some do for money, some do to impress boss. Once it is in public domain you get all sorts of commentary, one cannot use professionalism card on colleagues. Keep in mind they could have posted their pictures, but they didn't.
About professionalism, it is up to an individual to make private information public for any reason, some do for kicks, some do for money, some do to impress boss. Once it is in public domain you get all sorts of commentary, one cannot use professionalism card on colleagues. Keep in mind they could have posted their pictures, but they didn't.
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I think most people have their reasons and no one can ever tell someone how to feel about something they dislike or like. We all know that only experience is the true judge.
I think this forum is great (bar a few crazy thread drifts). Great because it's people on the inside showing their opinions and views of the life experience daily. Most might come on to nag but most come here to warn others and post vital info. I'm sure many have decided not to choose EK due to these threads.
So i think thanks should be given to those that do try and offer objective reviews of the situation as well as those who are hurt by a company who obviously does not care at all about its pilots or staff.
Though now that we know the problems, and to stay away from EK, which airlines would you wish to move onto if you could leave EK? Or if you could do it again, what or where would you go?
Solutions for the confused FOs out there rather than continue to state the obvious now should help more if thats what everyone here is trying to do of course..
Cheers
I think this forum is great (bar a few crazy thread drifts). Great because it's people on the inside showing their opinions and views of the life experience daily. Most might come on to nag but most come here to warn others and post vital info. I'm sure many have decided not to choose EK due to these threads.
So i think thanks should be given to those that do try and offer objective reviews of the situation as well as those who are hurt by a company who obviously does not care at all about its pilots or staff.
Though now that we know the problems, and to stay away from EK, which airlines would you wish to move onto if you could leave EK? Or if you could do it again, what or where would you go?
Solutions for the confused FOs out there rather than continue to state the obvious now should help more if thats what everyone here is trying to do of course..
Cheers
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Seems like a nice enthusiastic guy and I say good for him for making the most of his situation.
I have no wish to trawl through all his photos but if he's not taking them during flight I don't have a problem with it. While I would never suggest anyone post such pictures, I would also hazard a guess that EK will be quite happy to have such a positive spin on things on Instagram. IMO no different to 'the lawyer' taking a selfie outside his office before going into work.
Very sad to see this person getting criticised so personally in this thread.
I have no wish to trawl through all his photos but if he's not taking them during flight I don't have a problem with it. While I would never suggest anyone post such pictures, I would also hazard a guess that EK will be quite happy to have such a positive spin on things on Instagram. IMO no different to 'the lawyer' taking a selfie outside his office before going into work.
Very sad to see this person getting criticised so personally in this thread.
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Originally Posted by MusingMonk
CAUTION: All guys below the age of 30,read the posts above. You will have to sit next to the old farts like that for atleast 7-8 years, who think they are "professional" because they don't click pictures in the flight deck.
PS: BTW wth is a Christmas card ? Are u frm frickin ice age or Wht ?
PS: BTW wth is a Christmas card ? Are u frm frickin ice age or Wht ?
No, Musing Spunk Monk, it's just that we've seen what Emirates do to people who take pictures in the flight deck or in the cabin with celebrities, or infront of an engine, etc. without official "permission". Wish it wasn't true, but you or this FO will find out soon, so hey carry on ... and good luck with it.
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Originally Posted by Plane and simple
Proves our point really.
EK is now only suited to selfie loving twenty-somethings who have come to fly fancy jets, do the girls (or boys) and drive fast cars. All part of the pretend online lifestyle.
No wonder they are prepared to take all this [email protected]
Here for a good time. Not for a long time.
I weep for the future!
EK is now only suited to selfie loving twenty-somethings who have come to fly fancy jets, do the girls (or boys) and drive fast cars. All part of the pretend online lifestyle.
No wonder they are prepared to take all this [email protected]
Here for a good time. Not for a long time.
I weep for the future!
It's probably because of the same first officer in his 20s who saved your ass many times, maybe you don't even realize that. Maybe you are perfect.
Stop fckin judging your colleagues for fck sake.
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Originally Posted by MusingMonk
Proves "OUR" point ? Dude stop generalizing.. All guys on this forum are not same age as you.. And neither are all sympathetic with your posts.. It's because of people like you this is even more sad place.. Apart from dealing with fatigue, family etc etc we also have to come to work and find people like you next to us.. If you really think you made it so far because you knew it all .. God help you..
It's probably because of the same first officer in his 20s who saved your ass many times, maybe you don't even realize that. Maybe you are perfect.
Stop fckin judging your colleagues for fck sake.
It's probably because of the same first officer in his 20s who saved your ass many times, maybe you don't even realize that. Maybe you are perfect.
Stop fckin judging your colleagues for fck sake.
Calm down DUDE & Keep saving old asses
