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Old 19th Sep 2016, 13:25
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But I would have though this "incident" would lead to changes that are REALLY NEEDED! Not to stupid and pointless knee jerks that will not only not fix anything, but that will rather cause a fire to start elsewhere!
Really did you, sorry but you really must lower your expectations if you plan to survive this place
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Old 19th Sep 2016, 13:32
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X bleed

They don't care. If you want to get a real sense of the 'pedigree of consideration' in these parts - do a basic search on how many of the destitute Syrian refugees were taken by countries in the region.

From the same religion of brotherhood, love & peace...none.

Keep emotions in check - it's business, they are here to squeeze the expat lemons. We have all sold a little bit of ourselves to be here.

As to threads of happiness from the young guns....just give it time...the naïveté will vanish.

Take them for what you can then leave at a time of your choice. It might be more of a kick in the balls to them if the 30-35 yr olds waited, got their four bars and buggered off straight after.

Methinks this one might be a bridge too far even for them. 35+ DECs , maybe.
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Old 19th Sep 2016, 14:14
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Watch out next incident will be a "rattle strike"
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Old 19th Sep 2016, 23:13
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Maybe the age of 35 requirement, if it were to happen, would be A380 only? Just a thought.
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Old 20th Sep 2016, 03:16
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33 for the 777
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Old 20th Sep 2016, 03:41
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Whatever it is guys, it's completely stupid. There is no other way to put it.

And the cadets? 15 years to upgrade? Come on please...

What are they trying to achieve? And 32 on 777? Ahhaahha so wait a minute, this is a knee jerk reaction to EK521 and they put an age on the fleet where it happened lower than on the other one? Failure rate, regardless of age, has been very low, and the current reqs are fair. Increase the hours, change the selection process, but age? Come on... they are forcing me to leave.
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Old 20th Sep 2016, 05:07
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Historically the time to upgrade in the legacy carriers for a long haul spot used to be just that, 15-17 years! Sometimes even longer.
I know this from family experience, my dear old Dad was 17 years in the rhs in BOAC before his Command. His course lasted 12 months with every sector being assessed in the most minute detail, as well as his deportment and dress whilst on layovers!!
Now I know times change, however, it would be strange if the Upgrade policy was NOT changed in line with the ever changing company entry requirements. After all historically everyone coming to EK had had a command before arriving.
Without doubt IF the age bar comes in , it will be a serious blow to those caught in the fallout zone.
Though it must be said, and I stand by with my tin hat for the fall out incoming,
there is a measurable difference in maturity between those pre and post 35.
Maybe it is the arrival of ankle snappers, the loss of the flush of youth or even the arrival of one's first grey hair(or loss of one's luscious locks!!).
Let us remember this is a very serious business, as 521 is a timely reminder.
If the owners of the train set want to change the demographic in the LHS it is their prerogative, it is also their weight to bear when and if a whole age group resigns en mass.
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Old 20th Sep 2016, 06:59
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Init, Well said on both ends of the debate. But like you said, the fallout will be very interesting if this comes to be reality.
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Old 20th Sep 2016, 07:13
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They seem to be worried about experience levels, but are still happy to let experienced fellas walk out the door. This has been mentioned time after time at wash ups and the like.
But they still don't get it. Some rocks show more intelligence than this lot.
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Old 20th Sep 2016, 07:32
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I'm sure we have all heard....

"Ye gets what ye pays for"!!

It used to be difficult to get into EK, experience levels were high pre entry, most were a Captain on joining. Even the entry into training now (for some) doesn't require any pre evaluation (interview or psych testing). Desperate times, desperate measures.

Those who value themselves to be worth greater than the fallinging pay, conditions and respect have used their greater wisdom to take their experience to pastures anew.

Definition of insanity, doing the same thing time and time again and expecting a different result. The MOST valuable asset in any company are the people or workforce. How many times have we been saying this over the years! It appears that if the self praise on certain floors is high, then all must be fine.


As CM states, "You cannot change a company without changing the management", time will tell.

Good day

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Old 20th Sep 2016, 08:34
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So the minimum experience level of a new LTC on the 777 can be less than than the 330/340 Capt who is only now qualified to be an FO on the 380?

What is wrong with these people?

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Old 20th Sep 2016, 08:40
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Good point Fliion.
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Old 20th Sep 2016, 11:37
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Fliion, there's your problem, you are using logic!

I understand that Costa is a wasteland at 10am rather than the start of lunch "hour" since CM arrived...........................
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Old 20th Sep 2016, 12:20
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Fliion, You know by now absolutely nothing makes sense. Our management remind me of that johnny Depp movie 'fear and loathing in Las Vegas' just one bad continuous trip.
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Old 20th Sep 2016, 12:30
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So the rumour of 35 years old is this for all the fleets or just the 380?
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Old 20th Sep 2016, 12:47
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Does anyone get a feeling that are playing the violin on the Titanic, while the upper floors have already evacuated?
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Old 20th Sep 2016, 13:44
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Change

I wonder if there will be subtle changes or if they come with a big bang, as a result of the arrival of our German friend.

The eventual departure of AAR will result in parties all over the world, but lets get not to far ahead of the game...

Does wasta ever runs out? We will know within 12 months I guess.

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Old 20th Sep 2016, 14:05
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English is not my main language so probably i don't understand all what you guys say.
Is this german guy some kind of saviour?
For what i read he just cuts jobs........
I don't really understand all these great expectations......
But maybe its me that i cant understand the point
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Old 20th Sep 2016, 15:19
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Most if the things written on PPRuNe have double meanings...

Nobody knows if CM will bring good things.
But it gives just a bit of hope in these tough times we live in as crews. E.g. Just the thought that because if him, AAR might be moved to the side gives me the will to live another month orso..😜

Dont take stuff written here as truth. Take from it what you can use, drop the rest.

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Old 20th Sep 2016, 17:26
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And why do you think he could move AAR aside????
As i already said i don't get it
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