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Old 12th Aug 2016, 19:56
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Are the wheels off for the other 19 airlines on that list too? As WK has stated, that is 'normal' for all the major airlines Worldwide so please do not show your ignorance by implying it's just EK that suffers these events, especially if you are a professional pilot. If you selected the other airlines you'd see similar events.

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Old 12th Aug 2016, 19:59
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Originally Posted by White Knight View Post
a lot of the stuff in the list happens to other airlines too!
Absolutely right. But now-a-days when mundane stuff like a tire burst, missed approach, oil leak warning, loss of comm for few minutes happens to other airlines... entire media world lights up and starts singing chorus. This is a new phenomenon, and guess who started this culture and paying for it!!!


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For so many daily flights and miles flown it's not an unusual list.
SkyWest has 600+ planes doing 6-8 sectors a day.
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Old 12th Aug 2016, 20:28
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SkyWest has 600+ planes doing 6-8 sectors a day.
Hyperbole much? According to This SkyWest has 361 active aircraft and 4.9 average sectors a day.

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Old 12th Aug 2016, 22:20
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Actually Skywest group owns 600+ aircraft and it is made up of Skywest and ExpressJet Airlines!
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Old 13th Aug 2016, 02:53
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Originally Posted by notapilot15
entire media world lights up and starts singing chorus.
Like the chorus about jetblue's recent wrestling match with severe turbulence?
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Old 13th Aug 2016, 10:26
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have not seen any other accident on the list thats what I mean with wheels off
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Old 13th Aug 2016, 13:28
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At least half of the airlines on that list have been involved in an accident with hull loss, serious injury or loss of life in the time Emirates has been operating, i.e. last 30 years.

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Old 13th Aug 2016, 13:42
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Originally Posted by White Knight View Post
Like the chorus about jetblue's recent wrestling match with severe turbulence?
Sure,

But not a peep about this incident or what happened to those 10 FAs. Are they OK and still employed or shipped back to home countries per SOP. Actually it came into light because it showed up in a BEA report. Airline, regulator and media were very quiet. From IFSDs to rodents, PR team makes sure to maintain complete silence on their end and full noise for competitors.

https://www.aeroinside.com/item/6353...-10-cabin-crew

I have seen a very appropriate comment on avherald,
carpets are very think in ME.
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Old 13th Aug 2016, 14:36
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Not saying anything about the training at EK (since I have no experience of training with them) but over at QR, they were specifically training on the 777 how to execute a go-around under all the scenarios listed in the FCTM (touchdown with speedbrakes extended - goaround, touchdown with speed brakes extended and T/L deployed - goaround).
Specifically we practiced in the sim the situation where TOGA was not available until after being airborne again.

On a side note, (in another airline) I was told off by a TRE for not prioritising pressing TOGA before advancing thrust levers. Whatever, I still advance my thrust levers before pressing TOGA...!

P.S I have been alarmed recently at the increasing trend in people calling 'positive rate' when barely off the ground - it drives me nuts and has to be nipped in the bud!
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Old 13th Aug 2016, 15:15
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Quoting Dihaz..."over at QR, they were specifically training on the 777 how to execute a go-around under all the scenarios listed in the FCTM (touchdown with speedbrakes extended - goaround, touchdown with speed brakes extended and T/L deployed - goaround)."

You can still go-around after thrust reversers deployed at QR?
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Old 13th Aug 2016, 15:59
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Not according to Boeing.
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Old 14th Aug 2016, 12:05
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A go around is pretty basic stuff. Power n pitch, reduce drag.
Statistically, poorly performed manoeuvre . Again, boils down to reduced training or practice.

Perhaps pilots should be made to stay up all night and then do their sim checks under the influence of sleep depravation? ie simulate the real world of EK?
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Old 14th Aug 2016, 13:46
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Originally Posted by The Crew View Post

Perhaps pilots should be made to stay up all night and then do their sim checks under the influence of sleep depravation? ie simulate the real world of EK?
That´s what we are doing already...
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Old 14th Aug 2016, 14:45
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The crew.... what an interesting logic you have....
If you make a mistake because of the time of the night and the exhaustion and because THEY throw several things at you, expect you to fly within 10 kts and 50ft and as a result you now might loose your licence, probably losing your job and your whole carreer, and last but not least you family suffers because all of them will have to pack their bags.... you think this is the way forward.......
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Old 14th Aug 2016, 16:13
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Somebody needs one of these?

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Old 14th Aug 2016, 19:51
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5star.
That is what is already happening. (Not EK but neighbour).
Had my last OPC starting the briefing at 4am
It went OK. The end of day 2 tough (same timings) I was dying in there.
Trying to see the positive side it does mimic 90% of our operation. So maybe it is not that bad? PLUS the checker is in the same sad state as you are
Cheers and keep surviving!
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Old 17th Aug 2016, 01:36
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I also think news papers should be issued in sim checks, and should be read prior to an emergency, just to highlight the "startle" factor !
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Old 19th Aug 2016, 14:27
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There is a interesting read in this week's Aviation Week...

http://aviationweek.com/commercial-aviation/learning-about-quicker-evacuation-emirates-flight-521
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Old 21st Aug 2016, 14:32
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The other day, in one of those new layovers during which we change cabin crew ....
As I was doing the walk-around and spending some time with the dispatcher, a fatma-type CC came in the cockpit and started to challenge the poor F/O about the 521 incident.... he had the misfortune to answer something non-committal and appropriate in his mind - just to be answered bluntly that she knew better and that the involved crew had to be congratulated for "landing safely without the gear, which as you know is the most difficult thing to perform" (I don't know, I never tried) Once again, not wanting to disappoint her, my F/O replied something vague and polite ("Really ? maybe after all...") then she became a little bit pushy and he had to ask her to vacate the cockpit.
Then he forgot about it and just mentioned it in the evening at beer time, once they had left. Pity I missed that.
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Old 23rd Aug 2016, 01:27
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Sorry Kobus but I'm missing the point of your rather long story here!

And I've read your post three times...
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