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Europeans for Fair Competition | is another pan-European flight crew union initiative to curb the growth of the ME3
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I thought the original point of this thread was to provoke a discussion about an organisation, that is apparently sympathetic to the challenges that we at EK may face as employees and not to debate the ethics of the growth of the ME3?
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Sorry for the twist hope you guys have by now submitted all our issues and evidence
e.g unfair warning letters, work hours, leave beeing reduced to 30 days,
threatening work environment, reduction of our T & C , ......
e.g unfair warning letters, work hours, leave beeing reduced to 30 days,
threatening work environment, reduction of our T & C , ......
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just to remember:
This link is still valid and should be used by all ME Pilots who are looking for a change of
working conditions and who can see a deterioration of flight safety which needs to be stopped.
This link is still valid and should be used by all ME Pilots who are looking for a change of
working conditions and who can see a deterioration of flight safety which needs to be stopped.
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Golfyankeesierra, IALPA and the Dutch equivalent, plus many other EU unions, are involved in REPA because it is an Irish airline based and employing pilots, many being members of those unions, from and across the EU. So, explain again how a German union has any jurisdiction or benevolent interest in our case and how the two instances are comparable...
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Obviously foreign unions shouldn't (and couldn't) have anything to do with whatever labouragreements or contracts you have but when there is any unfair advantage because of (GCAA's interpretation of) FTL's nobody can blame them to get involved.
This is what I wrote.
I didn't write there is jurisdiction and and interest in your personal situation.
But there is a big interest in any unfair advantage the ME3 may have, and when those unfair advantages are among the root causes of your discontent (your hours would be illegal in the EU) you, and the German union, have a common goal.
And WRT comparison with the Ryanair pilots, I guess the EU alpa's are investing in the RPG but would be surprised if any of RYR pilots is member of any Alpa (isn't that the whole point?) allowing Ryanair to do with them whatever Ryanair sees fit.
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GYS, there's your problem - you're guessing. Many RYR pilots are in an EU ALPA, apparently over 50%. There was a point where BALPA tried to force recognition, but they stuffed it up and have ever since run away from O'Leary with their tail between their legs, so their support of REPA is limited to financial - they're too scared and pathetic to do more. And there is the rub; unions do what is in their interest, which is sometimes aligned with their members' interests, but they never act in the interest of another group.
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Alu Shuffler, sorry but in the case of the German Union and Ryanair I know for a fact that they are trying to help. The Union is however restricted by the legal system and the lack of public interest.
The public only care about cheap tickets. But believe me VC is investing a lot of effort.
The public only care about cheap tickets. But believe me VC is investing a lot of effort.
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Of course they never act in the interest of another group.
But still, pilots have common interests. Reading these forums you of all people should know it's a race to the bottom.
We all benefit from each other's union keeping T and C's up.
But still, pilots have common interests. Reading these forums you of all people should know it's a race to the bottom.
We all benefit from each other's union keeping T and C's up.
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In Freedom, I know the German unions are helping REPA and the RYR pilots. That is because there are many German pilots and a few German bases in RYR, and many of those pilots are members of the union!. Why do people on this forum insist on criticising posts they haven't bothered to read?
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GYS, did BALAP help the BMI guys, especially, the BMI Baby lot, when BA bought them, even though they had members in BMI? What about the Go guys when EZY bought them? See them helping at Flybe much? No. Hence my point that unions will serve their own agenda first, members' agendas second, and have utter disinterest in others.
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I thought the original point of this thread was to provoke a discussion about an organisation, that is apparently sympathetic to the challenges that we at EK may face as employees and not to debate the ethics of the growth of the ME3?
And I think that pilots at the legacy carriers are recognizing that if they don't combat those ethics, their own rosters and jobs will eventually come to more closely resemble those of the ME3.
Hence I don't question the motives of the likes of a German pilot union taking an active interest in the welfare of EK pilots.
