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100 EK pilot resignations on 01 Apr, allegedly

Old 29th Apr 2015, 20:08
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95 hrs, 5 days OFF, one day AD, 4 days OFF, thanks Adel
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Old 30th Apr 2015, 00:41
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96 hours and 7 days off
Are you kidding!!!!!

Over the other side at FZ and this is by no means happening for all pilots but with some decent bidding (and a bit of luck) three of my last four months have been,

71 hours 16 off
75 hours 15 off
82 hours 14 off.

Oh yeah and thats without any leave too.

Come over…….
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Old 30th Apr 2015, 00:47
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So let me get this straight GoreTex. Their only answer to this ever increasing crisis, and a crisis it is, is to make the lazy pilots fly on 95 hours, and then ensure that the lazy pilot can't have a good string of days off by putting an AD in the middle of them? That's it? That's the plan? So in other words, get the few pilots that remain, and beat them with a huge stick until they drop.

The plot has well and truely been lost. I feel for you all.
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Old 30th Apr 2015, 02:50
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I was trying to swap a very popular flight to move it by one day. I've gone through hundreds of rosters. Nowadays typical roster is 7 on 1 off 3-5 on 2 off (or very close to that) hence impossible to swap. If you find someone to swap with this time you get the swap reject saying exceeding 100 in 28 or not enough days off in 28.
Well expect that number to double/triple once the schools close.

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Old 30th Apr 2015, 05:27
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SOPS,
had to come back here and then the AD was converted in a day OFF, just to piss me off
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Old 30th Apr 2015, 05:48
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You are kidding me....the place has fallen apart.
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Old 30th Apr 2015, 07:27
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They have completely forgotten the basic function of an airline and which human resource is most vital to that end. It really is astonishing
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Old 30th Apr 2015, 09:48
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Hey, but there is people like Southpole that calls us all Idiots...

He is coming to Qatar onto the 330 soon. He found paradiese...

please welcome him with 95h and all nightflights...
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Old 30th Apr 2015, 12:21
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Flaphandlemover,

Do you have a problem in understanding what I write? I would never disrespect anyone for his personal choices. Read my post again please.

If you got this message I am sorry, It was not what I meant.
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Old 1st May 2015, 05:29
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@ Southpole

Quote:
You take it like I was saying that you are all stupid guys complaining for nothing...


Well English is not my first language and I am tempted to understand it the way I said.....

Apology accepted and lets move on...

I do wish you all the best in Qatar and enjoy it as long as it lasts...
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Old 1st May 2015, 08:09
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My last log on middle 2011 shortly prior to resignation that I wish had done at least 2 years earlier. Now I see many of the same 'posters' going on about very similar things that were happening in and prior to 2011. But they remain.
In fact one of the stressful factors in the years leading up to resignation was the whining and bitching on PPRuNe.
I moved initially to an embarrassment of an airline and quickly moved to where I should have gone well prior to 2011.
The aircraft colour scheme is not everyone's cup of tea but is fine if you like light blue.
As a comparison to the general gist of this thread my average roster is a tad over 60 hours per month. Typical roster is two long flights, a medium length and a shortish flight. Normal roster for a month 4 flights. I am entitled to 14 consecutive days off every month and I nominate the dates and always get them. I can if I wish have more than that, and in that case I would have a salary adjustment at year end but it is my choice. I go where I want on the network for days off and can change every month if I wish. I generally get 3-4 days reserve at base of operations but is no requirement to be contactable so one can do what one wants on day of reserve. For 3-4 pilot operations bunk is where f class toilets are on Ek 777 and captain always has f class seat. Take off and landing is in f class seat not cockpit and you choose f seat or bunk; both available to you.
Accommodation at operations base very comfortable and allowances paid every day away from ones nominated home base, i.e. If you are not on days off you get allowances. Individual per diems less than Ek but monthly total higher (usd1000). Hotel accommodation on layovers generally slightly lower standard than ek and often airport location; what to do? Layovers often multiple days not the 24 hour standard for ek. Network good.
Salary less than 12 year Ek captain but more I think than 1st year captain unless one has three kids at private school I suggest, however factor in 60 hours vs 95 hours and compare money per working hour and the equation looks quite different.
There are no passenger flights departing from home base outside of approx 8am-9pm. No going to work for 3am departures. General fatigue level is a fraction of ek and basically negligible.
There are many ek pilots here. I'm surprised there aren't more.
It is not perfect however but a lot more so in my opinion than ek.
I haven't regretted for a single instant resigning from ek and I just saw an ek 380 landing outside my hotel window and feel nothing.
If ek started home basings in my city/country I can't say I wouldn't consider it however the rostering would have to be sorted and I would never consider working with HaH as a boss again.
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Old 1st May 2015, 09:55
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Good post, nice to hear other points of view.

My tunnel has started, just counting the days. Preparing to manage my disappointment on May 7th.
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Old 1st May 2015, 10:39
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vbrules please check your PM
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Old 1st May 2015, 11:36
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Qatar already has legal right not to count bunk time, only "stick time" towards your daily, monthly and annual flight limits. So you can do a ULR credited at 30hrs and only get 15hrs credited towards your duty times. Be careful you could end up on duty for two ULR a month and only be credited 30hrs, not 60!
(Hope that makes sense..)
I think that is the next beating to be implemented by EK.
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Old 1st May 2015, 11:41
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you lose a nights sleep on every EK pairing.. 6-8 times a month. not sustainable.
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Old 2nd May 2015, 00:18
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100 Pilots going MIA

Meanwhile, back on the thread, does anyone know the truth of this rumour about 100, 96 or 93 pilots resigning on April Fools Day?
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Old 2nd May 2015, 00:45
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Vbrules, are you a skipper at Korean?
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Old 2nd May 2015, 04:18
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Spoke to an HR lady who has the numbers. As much as we wish for the 100+ She could not confirm that.. She said around 30-35.


Wht was admitted is, that the attrition rate went up from 2.7 to 3.7. Which is actually a shocking huge jump...

They know they have a problem. Will anything change?
But there was a meeting between the local boys and HHSA amd HHSMo...

Seems the truth has gone all the way up and further...
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Old 2nd May 2015, 04:43
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Originally Posted by flaphandlemover View Post
Spoke to an HR lady who has the numbers. As much as we wish for the 100+ She could not confirm that.. She said around 30 35
Saw the figures on cruise...actual number was in the month of April, 69. Also been told they canx the DEC course planned for June/July as not enough to fill the course!

As for HR people telling the truth....if you believe them, then I have shares in a bridge for sale!
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Old 2nd May 2015, 05:36
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Auditor told me its 126 resignations in the early days of April. That was the number that was told at a bouncy castle meeting. It was also mentioned that things are going to get worse as we will have to pay for the shortfall in Pilots.

The beatings shall continue until morale improves................
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