100 EK pilot resignations on 01 Apr, allegedly
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Even though almost every pilot I know is unhappy at EK and looking for a quick exit I think 100 pilots in one month let alone one day is quite high.
Wait until the pay review or the profit share. If they both lack expectations you might see 200 pilots leave this summer though.
Wait until the pay review or the profit share. If they both lack expectations you might see 200 pilots leave this summer though.
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All they have to do is have a second option for pilots where for a different payscale, you can have a commuting schedule like KAL and high time guys will be beating down the door to get in.
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'Twas 93.
April 1 is the date dictated by avarice: this is the earliest one can resign and ensure full payment of profit share.
The next avalanche will be June 1, when those who have already sent their families home to Europe or the USA will resign in order to get three more paycheques and then go home to help the kids and mom start the new school year.
April 1 is the date dictated by avarice: this is the earliest one can resign and ensure full payment of profit share.
The next avalanche will be June 1, when those who have already sent their families home to Europe or the USA will resign in order to get three more paycheques and then go home to help the kids and mom start the new school year.
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And, sorry to bother...
All these guys know that outside their golden compounds there is nothing but sand? Excuse me the tricky joke, but in Europe there is nothing.. Airlines are racing to lower the conditions and states are raising the cost of living. Pension? Forget it in Europe.
Now, I am running away from a ****ty 100 a/c airline here because I can take it anymore.. Really, and I see people in the Middle East complaining all the time and eventually (because rumors must be confirmed) run out to Asia.
People in Asia, screaming like rabbits that they can't stay there there is no life and commuting cannot be done for long..
Are we all crazy or it is just always the same people complaining all the time and never happy anywhere?!?!?
Sooner or later I will join Qatar, (if they mind to have a look at this f@c$ing holding pool) will I join all the whining? Hope not!
All these guys know that outside their golden compounds there is nothing but sand? Excuse me the tricky joke, but in Europe there is nothing.. Airlines are racing to lower the conditions and states are raising the cost of living. Pension? Forget it in Europe.
Now, I am running away from a ****ty 100 a/c airline here because I can take it anymore.. Really, and I see people in the Middle East complaining all the time and eventually (because rumors must be confirmed) run out to Asia.
People in Asia, screaming like rabbits that they can't stay there there is no life and commuting cannot be done for long..
Are we all crazy or it is just always the same people complaining all the time and never happy anywhere?!?!?
Sooner or later I will join Qatar, (if they mind to have a look at this f@c$ing holding pool) will I join all the whining? Hope not!
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EK is now a rather unique case Southpole in that it is short of pilots due to resignations and this shortage is made more intense as EK tries to continue its expansion. EK is working the pilots that remain harder than is fair, healthy or safe, is doing nothing to engage constructively with the remaining pilot body and is failing to acknowledge that there even is a problem or to publish a road map to recovery.
This leads to feelings of resentment and low morale amongst all crew. Throw in fatigue, lack of appreciation, the inability to get leave, or having forced leave that you have to take in Dubai as your children are at school here and you may get just a little flavour of the thoughts going through the average EK pilot's mind nowadays.
A good profit share and pay rise is essential - more so for the company than the pilots - as EK desperately needs to protect the brand name and has to find a bigger carrot to attract more, and better quality, applicants.
For me and many others though, it is more about quality of life. Salary and profit share is important but not at the expense of our long term health and ongoing family life. EK can either choose to do something radical about it or not. But if they do not they will have even more aircraft parked (undergoing unscheduled maintenance) due lack of crews.
They know it. We know it. They know we know it. Why aren't they talking to us?
Will that be you in a few years Southpole? Probably.
This leads to feelings of resentment and low morale amongst all crew. Throw in fatigue, lack of appreciation, the inability to get leave, or having forced leave that you have to take in Dubai as your children are at school here and you may get just a little flavour of the thoughts going through the average EK pilot's mind nowadays.
A good profit share and pay rise is essential - more so for the company than the pilots - as EK desperately needs to protect the brand name and has to find a bigger carrot to attract more, and better quality, applicants.
For me and many others though, it is more about quality of life. Salary and profit share is important but not at the expense of our long term health and ongoing family life. EK can either choose to do something radical about it or not. But if they do not they will have even more aircraft parked (undergoing unscheduled maintenance) due lack of crews.
They know it. We know it. They know we know it. Why aren't they talking to us?
Will that be you in a few years Southpole? Probably.
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Mr Purley
Irrespective of when and if the number on the date is true, the points that Bananas have made are valid
Crunch time is apon us. The pilot group is so downtrodden that even the cool aide kids are having a hard time keeping their S"it together. The local workforce are even having to work as every trick in the book is being applied to hold it together.
I seriously believe that even the kids like "SouthPole" must be smart enough to know that rosters of 95+ hours on mixed schedule flying is not something worth jumping from the frying pan for
For all our sakes the 95hours flight time plus duty and minimal days off must change.........We only have one life/family/chance
J
Crunch time is apon us. The pilot group is so downtrodden that even the cool aide kids are having a hard time keeping their S"it together. The local workforce are even having to work as every trick in the book is being applied to hold it together.
I seriously believe that even the kids like "SouthPole" must be smart enough to know that rosters of 95+ hours on mixed schedule flying is not something worth jumping from the frying pan for
For all our sakes the 95hours flight time plus duty and minimal days off must change.........We only have one life/family/chance
J
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Bananas,
Thank you for the nice explanation on what is going on..
Jidder,
I'd love to be a kid but I am afraid that time passed long ago and it is not coming back. But from you I will take it as a compliment......
Thank you for the nice explanation on what is going on..
Jidder,
I'd love to be a kid but I am afraid that time passed long ago and it is not coming back. But from you I will take it as a compliment......
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Southpole,
Funny that you mention Qatar Airways...
Why don't you come to Emirates? Isn't EK your first choice? Guess not... Why?
Please come.. We need pilots like you.. You have no Idea what you are talking about how life and working in the Pit is....
Come and see because, we are actually living the dream.... NOT.
You are right, we had a great gig but with this special kind of stupid managers, it all got distroyed... For no reason other than their greed and shortsightness...
Pan Am was a glorious and world leading company.... So WAS Emirates...
But after the last Email of STC I feel apreciated and SO LOOKED AFTER... Now we are all buddies again and we need to work together....
I loved his finish:
Until next time, do take care. You owe it to yourself, your loved ones and your team.
Please Go the extra mile because your warning letter and condenscendig briefing is waiting for you by your chief pilot.
Who should have had the same CRM course like we all did and should have learned how to speak to his TEAM.
With respect. But that word is not known to our managment Team.
So keep beating the Minions.... They have no choice anyways... Thats why 100 resigned and the tsunamy slowely makes landfall.. More to come
Funny that you mention Qatar Airways...
Why don't you come to Emirates? Isn't EK your first choice? Guess not... Why?
Please come.. We need pilots like you.. You have no Idea what you are talking about how life and working in the Pit is....
Come and see because, we are actually living the dream.... NOT.
You are right, we had a great gig but with this special kind of stupid managers, it all got distroyed... For no reason other than their greed and shortsightness...
Pan Am was a glorious and world leading company.... So WAS Emirates...
But after the last Email of STC I feel apreciated and SO LOOKED AFTER... Now we are all buddies again and we need to work together....
I loved his finish:
Until next time, do take care. You owe it to yourself, your loved ones and your team.
Please Go the extra mile because your warning letter and condenscendig briefing is waiting for you by your chief pilot.
Who should have had the same CRM course like we all did and should have learned how to speak to his TEAM.
With respect. But that word is not known to our managment Team.
So keep beating the Minions.... They have no choice anyways... Thats why 100 resigned and the tsunamy slowely makes landfall.. More to come
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Flaphandlemover,
You take it like I was saying that you are all stupid guys complaining for nothing.. While I said that everyone is complaining everywhere but actually looks like there is no perfect place. I am as well running away from Europe at light speed..
Maybe the living in Dubai is getting worse, ok, outside is even worse.
Keep fighting for your rights! But once you leave, you will find nothing outside.
And of course, do not take it personal.
I had my reasons to get Qatar as first choice, second would be etihad and emirates third but I am not 330 type rated and so be get in as cpt I do not meet minimum requirements.
Regards
You take it like I was saying that you are all stupid guys complaining for nothing.. While I said that everyone is complaining everywhere but actually looks like there is no perfect place. I am as well running away from Europe at light speed..
Maybe the living in Dubai is getting worse, ok, outside is even worse.
Keep fighting for your rights! But once you leave, you will find nothing outside.
And of course, do not take it personal.
I had my reasons to get Qatar as first choice, second would be etihad and emirates third but I am not 330 type rated and so be get in as cpt I do not meet minimum requirements.
Regards
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7th Floor
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Perhaps it's been moved to the 9th floor?
What Cat St3v3ns said about jet planes
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Of course there is NO perfect place. You just have to choose what works for you and/or your family the best.
"The grass is greener over there!!" well of course it is because it "rains more".
"The grass is greener over there!!" well of course it is because it "rains more".