CI400
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CI400
Why has this NOTAM caused such uproar?
Correct me if wrong, is it not merely giving us the option to CI400 without to explain. Hence simply being a step up from the previous CI250-300 which was commonly planned to make up delays, protect connections etc?
Has anyone been dispatched with CI400 since the NOTAM?
Correct me if wrong, is it not merely giving us the option to CI400 without to explain. Hence simply being a step up from the previous CI250-300 which was commonly planned to make up delays, protect connections etc?
Has anyone been dispatched with CI400 since the NOTAM?
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From: Doctor's waiting room
Not quite uproar but rather a degree of amusement I would say.
Having the vast majority of EK flights now planned at CI400 makes a complete farce of the expectation to only use idle reverse and single engine taxy etc.
All EK flights (except ULR and Freighter), will now be dispatched with CI400.
Having the vast majority of EK flights now planned at CI400 makes a complete farce of the expectation to only use idle reverse and single engine taxy etc.
All EK flights (except ULR and Freighter), will now be dispatched with CI400.
short flights long nights
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First it was RTA, then it was dont depart early and slow down enroute, now it's CI 400. And you get to fly really fast to spend more time in the Desdi hold.
A certain person who used to fix planes, and hates pilots has been promoted so far out of his depth, that the "ideas' are now just silly.
Does anyone in the bouncy castle actually have any idea what is going on?
A certain person who used to fix planes, and hates pilots has been promoted so far out of his depth, that the "ideas' are now just silly.
Does anyone in the bouncy castle actually have any idea what is going on?
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From: USA
Considering CI400 is way over LRC on the john deer (B777 CI180=LRC=~.84) they are giving up 1.5-2% in fuel burn per sector. Is fuel really that cheap? Closest to that is Saudia operating CI500 outbound from RUH/JED tankering like crazy.
WTF is. EK doing? Burning away the bonus?
WTF is. EK doing? Burning away the bonus?
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I don't think EK has any idea what they are doing anymore. As someone said on here a few weeks ago....It is like watching a drunk man tying to put out a fire with a rag soaked in petrol.......
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From: In a house
Yes, it's what I've heard from network control.
The funny thing is having to submit a report every time you slow down for turbulence and atc!! Not to mention the embarrassment of over speeding in the climb and arriving over max landing weight due to the less fuel burn of having to slowing down.
How much man power is going to be needed to deal with all that paperwork?
I'm totally lost on this one, I've spent all my professional life trying to fly efficiently and now I have to throw that out the window! What next, taxi every where at 30kts! Speed up in the hold? CI450? TOGA takeoffs?
These planes are going to take a beating, and so are WE if we don't comply, or overspeed, or break something....
The funny thing is having to submit a report every time you slow down for turbulence and atc!! Not to mention the embarrassment of over speeding in the climb and arriving over max landing weight due to the less fuel burn of having to slowing down.
How much man power is going to be needed to deal with all that paperwork?
I'm totally lost on this one, I've spent all my professional life trying to fly efficiently and now I have to throw that out the window! What next, taxi every where at 30kts! Speed up in the hold? CI450? TOGA takeoffs?
These planes are going to take a beating, and so are WE if we don't comply, or overspeed, or break something....
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From: ME
Closest to that is Saudia operating CI500 outbound from RUH/JED
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From: UAE
Do you think they are doing this for our benefit. We get paid "Rostered Block". CI400 will reduce that rostered block every month. Due to the usual environmental and ATC factors we will never be able to fly at that speed all the time. Your 95 hour month has just been reduced to 91 paid hours saving a shed load of overtime. They would rather burn the money than give it to us.
Now get back to work you lazy pilots.
J
Now get back to work you lazy pilots.
J
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From: Terra Firma
My two penneth...
They are so short on pilots that they are getting the flight hours down to a minimum, by going faster across the fleet, so that they can get more productivity out of the pilot workforce....... = less shortage of drivers
Just a thought
J
They are so short on pilots that they are getting the flight hours down to a minimum, by going faster across the fleet, so that they can get more productivity out of the pilot workforce....... = less shortage of drivers
Just a thought
J
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From: Ze Pit.
It is totally about getting more NM per month out of us lazy pilots and the tucker chuckers in the back. Nothing else.
As far as the environment is concerned, its okay folks. One of the visionary dudes has a green vision.....so relax......
Why aren't you all resting for your next duty, and don't even think about having time for a BBQ!!!!!
As far as the environment is concerned, its okay folks. One of the visionary dudes has a green vision.....so relax......
Why aren't you all resting for your next duty, and don't even think about having time for a BBQ!!!!!
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ci400
I wonder how the WSJ jumps into this new EK thing, CI400.
We all try to be a bit green, and EK pumps tons of gas extra into the air...
2tons extra on a 7 hr flight..... to be half an hour early.... bring it on!
This whole thing sounds like an impulsive reaction from top top top management.
Not even written down where this new rule came from.....
I feel a lot of panic on the top floor...slamming doors, pointing fingers etc.
Lets see where this goes....
We all try to be a bit green, and EK pumps tons of gas extra into the air...
2tons extra on a 7 hr flight..... to be half an hour early.... bring it on!
This whole thing sounds like an impulsive reaction from top top top management.
Not even written down where this new rule came from.....
I feel a lot of panic on the top floor...slamming doors, pointing fingers etc.
Lets see where this goes....