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Old 24th Apr 2015, 16:08
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CI400

Why has this NOTAM caused such uproar?

Correct me if wrong, is it not merely giving us the option to CI400 without to explain. Hence simply being a step up from the previous CI250-300 which was commonly planned to make up delays, protect connections etc?

Has anyone been dispatched with CI400 since the NOTAM?
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Old 24th Apr 2015, 23:11
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Not quite uproar but rather a degree of amusement I would say.

Having the vast majority of EK flights now planned at CI400 makes a complete farce of the expectation to only use idle reverse and single engine taxy etc.

All EK flights (except ULR and Freighter), will now be dispatched with CI400.
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Old 25th Apr 2015, 00:28
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CI400? As is, most flights are arriving long before schedule. Whats is the logic begind .845 Mach flights arriving that early when they are short of gates? What happened to "protect the gate"
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Old 25th Apr 2015, 01:34
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First it was RTA, then it was dont depart early and slow down enroute, now it's CI 400. And you get to fly really fast to spend more time in the Desdi hold.

A certain person who used to fix planes, and hates pilots has been promoted so far out of his depth, that the "ideas' are now just silly.

Does anyone in the bouncy castle actually have any idea what is going on?
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Old 25th Apr 2015, 01:53
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Considering CI400 is way over LRC on the john deer (B777 CI180=LRC=~.84) they are giving up 1.5-2% in fuel burn per sector. Is fuel really that cheap? Closest to that is Saudia operating CI500 outbound from RUH/JED tankering like crazy.

WTF is. EK doing? Burning away the bonus?
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Old 25th Apr 2015, 02:07
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I don't think EK has any idea what they are doing anymore. As someone said on here a few weeks ago....It is like watching a drunk man tying to put out a fire with a rag soaked in petrol.......
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Old 25th Apr 2015, 02:12
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So is it confirmed? Ever flight going forward is being dispatched CI400? Except for freighters and the ULRs?
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Old 25th Apr 2015, 03:51
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Yes, it's what I've heard from network control.

The funny thing is having to submit a report every time you slow down for turbulence and atc!! Not to mention the embarrassment of over speeding in the climb and arriving over max landing weight due to the less fuel burn of having to slowing down.

How much man power is going to be needed to deal with all that paperwork?

I'm totally lost on this one, I've spent all my professional life trying to fly efficiently and now I have to throw that out the window! What next, taxi every where at 30kts! Speed up in the hold? CI450? TOGA takeoffs?

These planes are going to take a beating, and so are WE if we don't comply, or overspeed, or break something....
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Old 25th Apr 2015, 04:58
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Yup CI400 is happening. Yesterday we were planned for a short mid-east turn at CI400.
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Old 25th Apr 2015, 05:10
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Closest to that is Saudia operating CI500 outbound from RUH/JED
Nope, they only use 80. Although based on Saudi fuel costs, CI-500/600 would be appropriate, some powers that be, realised that burning extra fuel for the fun of it wasn't environmentally friendly.
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Old 25th Apr 2015, 05:38
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Yep we did it, plus over a dozen level changes...
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Old 25th Apr 2015, 05:55
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Hmmmmm, writing a CSR because you slowed down?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fy3rjQGc6lA
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Old 25th Apr 2015, 06:35
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Super fast

Finally a cost index that makes sense on the Super. 👍
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Old 25th Apr 2015, 06:42
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Do you think they are doing this for our benefit. We get paid "Rostered Block". CI400 will reduce that rostered block every month. Due to the usual environmental and ATC factors we will never be able to fly at that speed all the time. Your 95 hour month has just been reduced to 91 paid hours saving a shed load of overtime. They would rather burn the money than give it to us.
Now get back to work you lazy pilots.

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Old 25th Apr 2015, 07:00
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My two penneth...

They are so short on pilots that they are getting the flight hours down to a minimum, by going faster across the fleet, so that they can get more productivity out of the pilot workforce....... = less shortage of drivers

Just a thought

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Old 25th Apr 2015, 07:12
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And Jack wins today's prize.......you are spot on the money.
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Old 25th Apr 2015, 09:19
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Environmental vandalism in the name of greed.
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Old 25th Apr 2015, 09:23
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It is totally about getting more NM per month out of us lazy pilots and the tucker chuckers in the back. Nothing else.


As far as the environment is concerned, its okay folks. One of the visionary dudes has a green vision.....so relax......


Why aren't you all resting for your next duty, and don't even think about having time for a BBQ!!!!!
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Old 25th Apr 2015, 09:56
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Speed up to the desdi hold , makes lots of sense.

Does any think this has anything to do with pilot numbers? Really!!
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Old 25th Apr 2015, 10:38
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ci400

I wonder how the WSJ jumps into this new EK thing, CI400.

We all try to be a bit green, and EK pumps tons of gas extra into the air...
2tons extra on a 7 hr flight..... to be half an hour early.... bring it on!

This whole thing sounds like an impulsive reaction from top top top management.
Not even written down where this new rule came from.....

I feel a lot of panic on the top floor...slamming doors, pointing fingers etc.

Lets see where this goes....
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