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11,000 new staff for EK...how's that going to happen?

Old 12th Feb 2015, 08:29
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11,000 new staff for EK...how's that going to happen?

Hiring spree to boost Emirates Airline staff | The National

Kinda wondering how this is going to happen, given that they've been training 500 cabin per month for the last 12 months and the cabin crew numbers haven't increased at all in the last year...and according to informed sources, 130 pilots have resigned in the past 3 months.

Numbers just don't add up?
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Old 12th Feb 2015, 09:01
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Reality vs Dreams = Fact and Fiction. The fairytale might be turning into a horror story sooner than can be envisaged.

I like many would not now be here, if my future can become my new dream vs this reality which is certainly turning into a horror story. The Emirates and ME dream is long gone.... and sometime (soon) I hope I will be too.

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Old 12th Feb 2015, 09:14
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Current world population is 7 Billion and growing...

Im sure there are 11,000 confused, desperate, ill-informed souls looking for their pot of gold. Unfortunately, like everyone else, their sh!t bucket will fill up before their money bucket fills up!
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Old 12th Feb 2015, 09:15
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The only thing that adds up in EK is the profit.

I have two close friends who worked for them, both have bailed out in the last couple of months with horror stories. One is receiving counselling.
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Old 12th Feb 2015, 10:53
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Third world countries. For pilots and cabin crew.
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Old 12th Feb 2015, 10:54
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Perhaps propaganda like this might assist their lost cause...


Thousands apply for cabin crew jobs at Emirates Airlines
 
Old 12th Feb 2015, 11:00
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No use hiring 11000 if they cannot house them. And thats the least of their problems! The mind boggles.
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Old 12th Feb 2015, 14:47
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Every flight I do recently the cabin crew are proud to announce their resignations. The trend is obvious. Can hiring keep up?
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Old 12th Feb 2015, 15:14
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All they really need to do is setup a roadshow or booth in ANY 2nd or 3rd world…. or the Philippines… and voila…. I honestly don't see an issue with this and to me, the numbers do add up.

Have heard from a trainer one a recent flight that some of the new joiners get warning letters while in training and a select few have received Final warning letters before graduating to the level of Grade 2.

So…. Me thinks the quality is not there… but the numbers will always be there.

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Actually, I think it is an issue. Not in terms of recruitment but in terms of on board service!

Lately it seems almost every flight has an issue with cabin crew who, obviously, do not want to be there. They may get talked to or written up but they just don't care. Maybe they have resigned already or are planning to and feel 'enlightened' by the fact that they are suddenly untouchable.

Our cabin service has declined enough - it doesn't need this.

But then again--the managers don't really care.
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Old 12th Feb 2015, 15:45
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Pop into the Careers Centre on the 2nd Floor and try and get a seat.

You won't.

Dubai is paradise for those that have no toilets or air-con in their home countries.
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Old 12th Feb 2015, 15:52
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I have friends who travel between EU and ZA and CN twice a year. They always go on Emirates, and always say 'never again'. They complain about the poor service, the crowds and smoking at DXB, the cramped seating, and so on.

Next time, they always book EK because it's the cheapest and they give 30 kg. This is how they retain loyalty.

I had a note from them last week after their latest trip to JNB .........

I know you've heard it before but this is REALLY the last time we fly with Emirates (my name for them deleted …..) but yesterdays trip was the worst EVER.

The crew on board seemed completely uninterested in anything other than getting the so-called meal service over as soon as possible and chatting amongst themselves. C....'s video system didn't work on the flight Dubai-Joburg and when he asked them if anything could be done the reply was a rude 'no …. you can see the flight is full.' The food was inedible, and cold. The seats were uncomfortable but we're used to that and we know it is what you get if you travel economy. We've decided next time we'll go business class and spend the extra but not on Emirats after the way they've treated us, as loyal customers using them 4 or 5 times a year for the last 10 years at least. We know you always said avoid them but last we admit you are right, as always!

Dubai airport stinks in both senses of the word and is horribly crowded. our luggage didn't make it on the same flight as us although there was 4 hours connexion time. The staff at ORT had heard it all before, no apology, no offer of a compensation, just 'it will arrive tomorrow'. I feel sorry for them, it's not their fault, other people who were without luggage were giving them a lot of jip.

The whole experience was so bad we don't even feel like flying back with them …. can you check and see what we would get back on the ticket if we cancelled and bought tickets back on a decent airline …. maybe KLM that you always recommend. The ticket itinerey is attached.

Anyway look forward to seeing you in Cape Town in a couple of weeks …........
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Old 13th Feb 2015, 04:47
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Something does not add up in this story. But you cannot expect the local media to ask difficult questions of their beloved airline.

The head of HR noted that "right now we have over 75,000 employees in Dubai and around the world."

In addition "Emirates said that the new recruits will increase its head count by 6 per cent by March 2016."

A 6% increase in staff numbers is a net increase of just 4,500 people. Which, if they are hiring 11,000 means that they expect 6.500 to leave (8.7% of the current workforce).

So the real story here may be that EK is losing 18 staff every day.
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Old 13th Feb 2015, 05:53
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Emirates Group plans to add 11,000 new staff in the coming year across its businesses including the airline...The company includes the air services provider dnata and its fast-growing carrier...Emirates said that the new recruits will increase its head count by 6 per cent by March 2016....About half of the new hires will be Dubai-based cabin crew for the airline, Emirates said.
Rascott,

My reading of the article is recruitment of about 5,500 cabin crew between now and March 2016, with the rest of the staff going in to other roles within the airline, or in to other Group related business units. That seems more in line with the calculated expectations, but I agree it does not make significant allowance for the current rates of attrition.

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Old 13th Feb 2015, 08:51
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At least 1 out of 5 cabin crew leaving this year..

If we read a little bit between the lines and use the numbers Emirates provides us with, we can conclude that at least 20% of the cabin crew is leaving this year.

1000 new employees of which about half are cabin crew: 5500 new CC.
19000 cabin crew currently, which is about 80 per aircraft.
20 new aircraft, so without phasing out any aircraft, that's about 1600 new CC positions needed.

5500-1600 = 3900 CC positions available to replace CC that left during the year.
3900 of a total of 19000 is just over 20%, and that is without the phasing out of some A330's and B777 taken into account.

The funny thing is, in a similar article for Khaleej Times a few days ago, the last paragraph says: 'More than anything, these facts illustrate the type of employer we are'
Well, actually, if I look at these numbers, it does show what kind of employer EK is, but probably not in the sense that they think they are...
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Old 14th Feb 2015, 06:25
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Analysis and your logic appear to be spot on MR8
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Old 14th Feb 2015, 10:51
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Attrition rates are of no concern to these companies, as managers themselves have already planned their escape, staying just long enough to fill their money buckets before they get sacked, run away home...the long term impact of high attrition rates in the long run is of no concern to them..

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Old 14th Feb 2015, 15:46
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Well-said, Ironbutt...

Capetonian:
our luggage didn't make it on the same flight as us although there was 4 hours connexion time
Were they on the 380 service? Did you tell them about the Baggage Boeing??

Once again, the company is representative of the greater outlook here: tourism, shopping-holidays, investments, employment, etc - aside from the constant indian trade, they seem to operate on the basis of "everyone will try it once" and the word never really gets around to the rest of the population.
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Old 14th Feb 2015, 20:57
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That would be the 'baggage boeing' that used to leave staff behind from the West Coast?
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Old 15th Feb 2015, 08:12
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Once again, the company is representative of the greater outlook here: tourism, shopping-holidays, investments, employment, etc - aside from the constant indian trade, they seem to operate on the basis of "everyone will try it once" and the word never really gets around to the rest of the population.

Reminiscent of Herb Kelleher's response letter he used to send to passengers who wrote complaint letters about his staff/service....along the lines of "if you are unhappy with Southwest's service, there are a million other passengers waiting for your seat"...apparently he was right
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