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EK crewing levels coming home to roost?

Old 21st Jan 2015, 03:19
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Originally Posted by Silky View Post
We are still only sitting at 3700...over two years ago we were over 3500, how many recruited since then? Everyone keeps telling us we are below industry average in attrition, I totally disput that!!
We're at 4.65% attrition right now and growing.
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Old 21st Jan 2015, 09:09
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March speed,
How did you arrive at the 4.6% attrition rate?
No doubting the figure but just wondering if it is from inside the company or through your own math.

Ek had always said they budget for 3% attrition, 4.6% would be 50% over that figure.
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Old 21st Jan 2015, 10:42
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Apr last year we had more pilots than we have now and we have hired nearly 300

Closer to 10%!!!!

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Old 21st Jan 2015, 12:32
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The guy hired mid jul 2014 has moved up @50, that accounts for cadets that were hired going above him.
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Old 22nd Jan 2015, 16:12
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Silky, where do you get your numbers from? more pilots last year than now? Are you sure?


About 150 people left over the last year and half...


I'll let you work out the attrition rate.
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Old 27th Feb 2015, 15:52
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attrition

I know the current seniority list can be wrong, but it will still tell an average. I've been saving the list at the first of every month for the last two years.
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Old 27th Feb 2015, 15:55
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Originally Posted by Desert Camel View Post
Silky, where do you get your numbers from? more pilots last year than now? Are you sure?


About 150 people left over the last year and half...


I'll let you work out the attrition rate.
You have to keep the lists every month and compare them. Silky is right that we had more last year. As well, there have been a lot of pilots leaving prior to their 36 months. It's not just the senior guys leaving.
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Old 27th Feb 2015, 20:48
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Don't forget Cadet National Service....they are all going. The minimum time away is five months, some for nine.

Thirteen leaving this month, many more on their way. Perfect storm.

f.
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Old 1st Mar 2015, 08:41
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Actual figures...

The following numbers show the seniority some pilots had on Jan 9th 2014 and the seniority they have now with the positions they gained:

3500 - 3393 (+107)
3000 - 2895 (+105)
2500 - 2405 (+95)
2000 - 1914 (+86)
1500 - 1427 (+73)
1000 - 950 (+50)

I'm somewhere between 500 and 600 and gained 30ish positions.

We were 3523 pilots and we're now 3777.

Attrition rate is exactly 3%

tz
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Old 1st Mar 2015, 09:08
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Not takin ghost pilots in to account...
Come on... They have been lying to us for so long...
Exactly their predicted 3 percent....
Amazing how Ek gets it right...

Maaaaaagic....
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Old 1st Mar 2015, 09:55
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Not takin ghost pilots in to account...
ROFLMAO...!!

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Old 1st Mar 2015, 10:19
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Ghost pilots ....really.... Time to get hobby.

3%
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Old 1st Mar 2015, 10:24
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Don't cadet pilots magically appear on the seniority list some way off the bottom once they are First Officers?

If so, this would increase the attrition rate figures would it not?
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Old 1st Mar 2015, 10:36
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No, it would not...

tz
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Old 1st Mar 2015, 11:09
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TZ.
Last year in apr the most junior guy was 3859.

Check again with those numbers. And if you have apr you will see his staff number and where he is today!
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Old 1st Mar 2015, 11:31
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Check again with those numbers.
Silky

The last pilot hired in April 14 is now number 3489, if you think that since than 400 pilots left the company than you're the one who should check again...

I stand by what I wrote,

tz
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Old 1st Mar 2015, 12:24
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I have a friend of a friend joined July 2014 as of last week he has moved up @ 70 numbers on the list including cadets being added to the list .
I think most cadets are added to the list once they start their TR course. Some joined EK a fees ago.
Just don't exaggerate the numbers .
I think what The Zohan said is fairly accurate .
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Old 1st Mar 2015, 15:50
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Yep, I made it 120 spots moved up by the most junior guy in the last year, factor in a few who joined during the year and I would hazard a guess of about 140 in total.
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Old 1st Mar 2015, 16:54
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Sent the Zohan the numbers I had for him to decipher. I await his response! No access to the actual numbers as am down route and the web is poor!
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Old 1st Mar 2015, 17:48
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I responded...
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