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Just let us all not hope we do not get an Ebola scare, or one of those black flagged idiots from the north.
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"I expect to hear from you." - Tim Clark
Again I reiterate: Moaning on Pprune will achieve nothing. No manager will see it and give it credibility even though so much is true. It’s far too easy for them to say it’s speculative, exaggerated and untrue. Any manager who wants to discredit it for their own agenda will do the usual company trick and request data and proof. Even when they have that they will do their best to spin the statistics to draw the conclusions they prefer to peddle.
However we have been given a golden opportunity for change and I don’t think it is merely a co-incidence. I believe the ripples are traveling up the chain through a minority of concerned, sensible and perhaps even ethical managers. I also believe the latest questionnaire on management must have raised some eyebrows.
The golden opportunity comes from our the Airline President himself. I quote:
“My next quarterly update is scheduled for early January. Meanwhile, I expect to hear from you – so do give me your robust views and feedback here.
Here’s to more conversations. Hello tomorrow.
Tim Clark
President Emirates Airline”
The word “here” even has a link inviting the feedback.
So feedback to him. Normal rules apply:
Things have changed before: Look at the staff travel or the utilities debacles. They changed from popular dissent. I believe the abuse of leave and rosters will also change because they are so blatantly corrupted.
If the basic rules above are obeyed, I don’t believe anyone will be targeted or singled out. At a middle level that might be true but I doubt an Airline President and KBE would behave in such a churlish manner. Reputation and basic ethics prevent it.
There is an expectation from your Airline President to hear from you. Don’t let him or your airline down.
However we have been given a golden opportunity for change and I don’t think it is merely a co-incidence. I believe the ripples are traveling up the chain through a minority of concerned, sensible and perhaps even ethical managers. I also believe the latest questionnaire on management must have raised some eyebrows.
The golden opportunity comes from our the Airline President himself. I quote:
“My next quarterly update is scheduled for early January. Meanwhile, I expect to hear from you – so do give me your robust views and feedback here.
Here’s to more conversations. Hello tomorrow.
Tim Clark
President Emirates Airline”
The word “here” even has a link inviting the feedback.
So feedback to him. Normal rules apply:
- Be respectful
- Be factual
- Be unemotional
- Be professional
- Be responsible
- Be sensible
Things have changed before: Look at the staff travel or the utilities debacles. They changed from popular dissent. I believe the abuse of leave and rosters will also change because they are so blatantly corrupted.
If the basic rules above are obeyed, I don’t believe anyone will be targeted or singled out. At a middle level that might be true but I doubt an Airline President and KBE would behave in such a churlish manner. Reputation and basic ethics prevent it.
There is an expectation from your Airline President to hear from you. Don’t let him or your airline down.
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Great post above.
Things are not perfect in EK! But there is evidence of change when enough people make their voices heard.
Another example is some of the ghastly night turns now this month being operated with 3 crew. MLE is one example.
Things are not perfect in EK! But there is evidence of change when enough people make their voices heard.
Another example is some of the ghastly night turns now this month being operated with 3 crew. MLE is one example.
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I believe the 3 man night turns are the doing of the upcoming EASA rules which will necessitate either layovers or 3 man ops once these rules come into play either late this year or early next year.
Also hearing factoring will not be allowed either with this coming change. Just what I'm hearing….
K
I believe the 3 man night turns are the doing of the upcoming EASA rules which will necessitate either layovers or 3 man ops once these rules come into play either late this year or early next year.
Also hearing factoring will not be allowed either with this coming change. Just what I'm hearing….
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Factoring has been in place for the better part of 4 years and is not going away. The company can screw us too easily with that and love to use it against us.
Pilots are starting to leave. Over 30 since July. I know some Kool-Aid pilots will say that is not a lot but when you look at how many pilots BA has to replace or Delta loses a year that is huge especially when you factor (there is that term again) replacing a pilot who leaves voluntarily probably costs the company at least $50,000.
With things only getting worse in the sand it will interesting to see who EK attracts to experience it glorious T&Cs.
By the way Emirates is not honoring 4 items in my contract so if you are really thinking about coming don't say you haven't been warned.
Pilots are starting to leave. Over 30 since July. I know some Kool-Aid pilots will say that is not a lot but when you look at how many pilots BA has to replace or Delta loses a year that is huge especially when you factor (there is that term again) replacing a pilot who leaves voluntarily probably costs the company at least $50,000.
With things only getting worse in the sand it will interesting to see who EK attracts to experience it glorious T&Cs.
By the way Emirates is not honoring 4 items in my contract so if you are really thinking about coming don't say you haven't been warned.
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When you try and leave feedback for TC, it takes you to open house post. Guess what, I submitted a calm reasoned post, and thats right its not been posted. Nor for that matter has anything else by ANYONE in the company!! Zero, nada, null, nothing.
Middle mangers editing again me thinks.
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When you try and leave feedback for TC, it takes you to open house post. Guess what, I submitted a calm reasoned post, and thats right its not been posted. Nor for that matter has anything else by ANYONE in the company!! Zero, nada, null, nothing.
Middle mangers editing again me thinks.
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The four times that I can think of off the top of my head are;
The company will not fly me home to my city of record. They flew me home for the first 3 years I was here then stopped.
The will only pay a certain amount of my electric bill. This is what they stated but I must admit I have not gone over the said amount but nevertheless the company will still stick it to me if they want to even though my contract says we will pay all electric, water and gas.
They will give us 25% of the profits above the target in the form of a profit share check. This year not withstanding the last 3 years they didn't pay anything.
A 3% pay raise a year. We have received that most years but twice they didn't pay that item.
I'm sure other pilots have many more items the company is not paying.
The company will not fly me home to my city of record. They flew me home for the first 3 years I was here then stopped.
The will only pay a certain amount of my electric bill. This is what they stated but I must admit I have not gone over the said amount but nevertheless the company will still stick it to me if they want to even though my contract says we will pay all electric, water and gas.
They will give us 25% of the profits above the target in the form of a profit share check. This year not withstanding the last 3 years they didn't pay anything.
A 3% pay raise a year. We have received that most years but twice they didn't pay that item.
I'm sure other pilots have many more items the company is not paying.
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No extra pay for things like: De-icing, holding… which we do probably the equivalent of 2 hours give or take each month.
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Geeeeeeezzz, guys. There's no need for bringing up proof for deterioration in this pit. Any dude crying for that is either not working here or has missed his last appointment with the shrink.
Just pick a nice selfie of 4 years ago and then go and check your face in the mirror. Then check your files of 4 years ago and compare them with your accounts and wallet today.
Just pick a nice selfie of 4 years ago and then go and check your face in the mirror. Then check your files of 4 years ago and compare them with your accounts and wallet today.
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Am not sure...I thought he had. I will chuck in 78 hours overtime. Factoring my bunk time. Sitting in the aircraft at the time we are meant to sign on. Allowances that seem to keep decreasing ( in 8 years I have never seen a station allowance go up, only go down. How this is possible, given natural inflation is beyond me.)
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Can an authentic Ek driver (not the volvos fly wannabe ) post a sample of his A380 FO roster ?
The normal one .. Not the 90 hours in 10 days sort of rosters
Be unbiased
The normal one .. Not the 90 hours in 10 days sort of rosters
Be unbiased
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Care to elaborate on those dis honored T&C ?
Contract states:
Annual leave will be granted at the rate of 42 calendar days per annum
UAE Law states:
- 30 days a year, where the worker’s period of service is more than one year.
- The employer may fix the date of commencement of annual leave and, if necessary, divide such leave into not more than two periods.
- In no case shall a worker be made to work during his annual leave more
than once in two successive years.
In simple terms the company is not meeting the word or intent of the law in any way and is drip feeding leave tactically at it's convenience
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ANS,
you have no chance of seeing one the boys are too worried. The A380 rosters right now are ok apart from getting the destinations requested due to too few crew, the inability for O/T to be scheduled and too many dumb rules. The 777 is worse and the A330 can compare favourably with Ebola at times.
The big question I think is what 90hrs per month over years will do. We are guinea pigs and if I were you I wouldn't plan on too long a retirement. I guess the industry will find out in years to come.
you have no chance of seeing one the boys are too worried. The A380 rosters right now are ok apart from getting the destinations requested due to too few crew, the inability for O/T to be scheduled and too many dumb rules. The 777 is worse and the A330 can compare favourably with Ebola at times.
The big question I think is what 90hrs per month over years will do. We are guinea pigs and if I were you I wouldn't plan on too long a retirement. I guess the industry will find out in years to come.
A380 F/O rosters don't often if ever get close to 90 hours a month, they're working at 80-85 % of left seat level. And as the rostering computer has enough F/Os to do its job and nobody approaches the productivity level of 92 hours there's less manual fiddling and better roster quality.
If they budget for 10 crews per aircraft they do it by having 11 F/Os and 9 Captains, it saves money and the manager gets 10% when he comes in under budget on salarys at the end of the financial year. High fives and back-slapping on the 9th floor, a job well done.
Compared to the left seat an A380 F/Os lifestyle is not at all bad. And luckily a A380 F/O new joiner can now look forward to many years of these half-decent rosters as the airlines probable future growth based on orders, replacements and environmental capacity suggests upgrade chances won't come before the far side of 15 years, if then.
If they budget for 10 crews per aircraft they do it by having 11 F/Os and 9 Captains, it saves money and the manager gets 10% when he comes in under budget on salarys at the end of the financial year. High fives and back-slapping on the 9th floor, a job well done.
Compared to the left seat an A380 F/Os lifestyle is not at all bad. And luckily a A380 F/O new joiner can now look forward to many years of these half-decent rosters as the airlines probable future growth based on orders, replacements and environmental capacity suggests upgrade chances won't come before the far side of 15 years, if then.
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Am Not Sure.
We are being unbiased and no there is no such thing as a standard roster.
My 10 cents worth? If you're not 100% sure then don't do it.
Absolutely nothing being written here is an exaggeration or fiction. It just seems that way as its so unbelievable...................til you get here.
We are being unbiased and no there is no such thing as a standard roster.
My 10 cents worth? If you're not 100% sure then don't do it.
Absolutely nothing being written here is an exaggeration or fiction. It just seems that way as its so unbelievable...................til you get here.