EK Pay review
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No point in writing AS. This is coming down from the 9th floor. That's above his pay grade, however good it may be.
Just hang in there a few more days. They run salaries on the 18th so hopefully something will come next week.
Just hang in there a few more days. They run salaries on the 18th so hopefully something will come next week.
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In light of the now obvious 10 year time to command, in order to attract people now they need to introduce a sliding pay scale for f/o's. A 6 year f/I should be nearly on 1 year captain salary. That goes for benefits and travel privileges too!
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Evidently it was made very clear to the training captains at the training meeting a few days back that there would be no increase in training pay.
It seems they haven't had any increase on this for a few years now.
Reason given was no one had asked the SVP for any input on increases so none had been given to those further up!
They have too many training captains anyway so this is obviously one way to thin out the ranks. The usual supply and demand issue.
Doesnt bode well for any other increases though... Especially if they get a bunch of airbus rated pilots in from Quantas which is rumoured to be the reason why they are holding off on the salary review.
It seems they haven't had any increase on this for a few years now.
Reason given was no one had asked the SVP for any input on increases so none had been given to those further up!
They have too many training captains anyway so this is obviously one way to thin out the ranks. The usual supply and demand issue.
Doesnt bode well for any other increases though... Especially if they get a bunch of airbus rated pilots in from Quantas which is rumoured to be the reason why they are holding off on the salary review.
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They won't get a load from Qantas by the time rebasings, voluntary redundancy, China Southern offering Ozzie bases and the feedback from the ex-Q at EK have taken their toll
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Get the facts straight. There is an email about a flight bag. There is nothing on the pay review that I can see.
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TCAS has been going on about this flight bag for some time. Even gave some new captains theirs in advance after addressing them. He was very excited and delighted!
Quite why the DVP-FO should concern himself with this uniform issue is beyond me. He has a few thousand waiting for news of their salary in a high inflation city and all he can come up with is a flight bag! Its beyond ridiculous. And sad that this is what EK middle management have been reduced to or represent - I'm not sure which.
As for the pay review - more lies. A number of sources have said officially that it would be out by the end of the week - and its not. I suppose there is still a window of opportunity and remain hopeful.
Not a peep out of HR. Maybe they are finishing up the week with a chat in Costa to complain about their husbands and figure out next week's car pool issues so are too busy to give us an update at least.
I dont believe a major company can survive with these symptoms.
I find them contemptous and insensitive. Administators not managers.
They forget their jobs, their futures, their homes, their kids schools, their bonuses all depend on us getting it largely right day after day
Despite what they throw at us, how we percieve their treatment and how much angst and stress they generate, we continue to deliver the goods safely and efficiently - which is more than can be said for them.
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TCAS has been going on about this flight bag for some time. Even gave some new captains theirs in advance after addressing them. He was very excited and delighted!
Quite why the DVP-FO should concern himself with this uniform issue is beyond me. He has a few thousand waiting for news of their salary in a high inflation city and all he can come up with is a flight bag! Its beyond ridiculous. And sad that this is what EK middle management have been reduced to or represent - I'm not sure which.
As for the pay review - more lies. A number of sources have said officially that it would be out by the end of the week - and its not. I suppose there is still a window of opportunity and remain hopeful.
Not a peep out of HR. Maybe they are finishing up the week with a chat in Costa to complain about their husbands and figure out next week's car pool issues so are too busy to give us an update at least.
I dont believe a major company can survive with these symptoms.
I find them contemptous and insensitive. Administators not managers.
They forget their jobs, their futures, their homes, their kids schools, their bonuses all depend on us getting it largely right day after day
Despite what they throw at us, how we percieve their treatment and how much angst and stress they generate, we continue to deliver the goods safely and efficiently - which is more than can be said for them.
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As for the pay review - more lies. A number of sources have said officially that it would be out by the end of the week - and its not. I suppose there is still a window of opportunity and remain hopeful.
Don't worry, I'm peeved we've been left hanging, but as usual, spouting BS does not further our cause.
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Agree from above with TOGA and my own two fils….
Another Thursday, another missed opportunity for "mutual respect". Haven't I read that somewhere?
Complete disregard for it's hard working flight crew and their families. At the very least, another email would be appreciated. Updates?
So what have EY and QR actually received as pay increases? Anyone have a confirmed number?
Another Thursday, another missed opportunity for "mutual respect". Haven't I read that somewhere?
Complete disregard for it's hard working flight crew and their families. At the very least, another email would be appreciated. Updates?
So what have EY and QR actually received as pay increases? Anyone have a confirmed number?
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Quite why the DVP-FO should concern himself with this uniform issue is beyond me. He has a few thousand waiting for news of their salary in a high inflation city and all he can come up with is a flight bag! Its beyond ridiculous. And sad that this is what EK middle management have been reduced to or represent - I'm not sure which.
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Quite why the DVP-FO should concern himself with this uniform issue is beyond me.
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Just for some info...does anyone know what the starting 777 DEC salary is at the airline down the road? Might make for some interesting Costa talk if a good number of EK drivers make application, even though there probably be some handshake agreement about poaching.
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On a personal note, I'm unemotional (not ecstatic) about delay in pay review because I know if will be retroactive.
Having said that I believe that the longer the Co. wait the greater the expectation and more importantly the greater the negative reaction will be ...if it's not a 'show stopper'.
In my view there are a lot of level headed operators on-line saying "let's wait and see before we react". Agreed.
However I think that should the review be disappointing they will have a real problem on their hands.
Here's why;
Firstly - According to a contact I have at one of the big Contract agencies - they have been telling clients in Asia that based on their research there will be 'serious crisis' in LHS heavy pilot numbers in the next 12-18 mos never before seen - massive deliveries of aircraft to China/Asia, THY & ME3 with no more feed from the USA.
HNA decided now to react and have set off a lot of soul searching by offering $349k pa without using an agency ie you work for the company.
Secondly - the guys who are now hitting the seven year mark at EK are ready to move. From summer '06 to summer '08, we hired hundreds who now have and will have 7 yrs under the belt. In the same way EK cleared out FR in recent years, a lot of the VA guys who came from down under have had enough and are looking to go back. They are just sick of the petty shyte (cue new handbags ..FFS stop it... list too long).
I suspect that HR have told the 9th floor "This is what we need to do to attract and keep the best" and that - that has caused a long pause and a lot of back and forth.
...,as someone who thought I would be here for a long time, I can tell you that.. If a contract hits $400k pa in Asia (yes I know, no school, no housing) then it will take some serious soul searching to stay...and I believe it will happen.
Next week we should know a lot more at how they value their flight deck...
...BUT when you have a company that doesn't even have the respect & HR soft skills to inform pilots that they cancelled 70 aircraft & $16bn of what we thought we would be flying ....it's quite frankly shocking....but explains why... there is zero brand loyalty from cabin and flight crew to an amazing global brand...how sad.
Roll on $400k.
Missive over..
f.
Having said that I believe that the longer the Co. wait the greater the expectation and more importantly the greater the negative reaction will be ...if it's not a 'show stopper'.
In my view there are a lot of level headed operators on-line saying "let's wait and see before we react". Agreed.
However I think that should the review be disappointing they will have a real problem on their hands.
Here's why;
Firstly - According to a contact I have at one of the big Contract agencies - they have been telling clients in Asia that based on their research there will be 'serious crisis' in LHS heavy pilot numbers in the next 12-18 mos never before seen - massive deliveries of aircraft to China/Asia, THY & ME3 with no more feed from the USA.
HNA decided now to react and have set off a lot of soul searching by offering $349k pa without using an agency ie you work for the company.
Secondly - the guys who are now hitting the seven year mark at EK are ready to move. From summer '06 to summer '08, we hired hundreds who now have and will have 7 yrs under the belt. In the same way EK cleared out FR in recent years, a lot of the VA guys who came from down under have had enough and are looking to go back. They are just sick of the petty shyte (cue new handbags ..FFS stop it... list too long).
I suspect that HR have told the 9th floor "This is what we need to do to attract and keep the best" and that - that has caused a long pause and a lot of back and forth.
...,as someone who thought I would be here for a long time, I can tell you that.. If a contract hits $400k pa in Asia (yes I know, no school, no housing) then it will take some serious soul searching to stay...and I believe it will happen.
Next week we should know a lot more at how they value their flight deck...
...BUT when you have a company that doesn't even have the respect & HR soft skills to inform pilots that they cancelled 70 aircraft & $16bn of what we thought we would be flying ....it's quite frankly shocking....but explains why... there is zero brand loyalty from cabin and flight crew to an amazing global brand...how sad.
Roll on $400k.
Missive over..
f.
Fillion and others...
Why are people so upset by the 350 order cancellation and that the company didn't inform them?
Besides the fact that it has been running very quietly from management, and that introduction is not for another five to seven years, who really cares?
There are a shed load of supers and 7W/X to still be delivered.
Whether you hear from the media or from captain orthodontic challenge himself, who gives a flying f^ck
Why the grievance?
halas
Why are people so upset by the 350 order cancellation and that the company didn't inform them?
Besides the fact that it has been running very quietly from management, and that introduction is not for another five to seven years, who really cares?
There are a shed load of supers and 7W/X to still be delivered.
Whether you hear from the media or from captain orthodontic challenge himself, who gives a flying f^ck
Why the grievance?
halas
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Halas,
From my perspective ...it's like letting the punters know why there is a delay.
It's a professional courtesy that costs nothing but reflects on the entity delivering the message.
Life and death - no. But it's a big strategic move and any reputable company would be expected to let their employees know (they certainly did with the order) when there is a change of this sort.
Ours did not....another miss IMO
f.
From my perspective ...it's like letting the punters know why there is a delay.
It's a professional courtesy that costs nothing but reflects on the entity delivering the message.
Life and death - no. But it's a big strategic move and any reputable company would be expected to let their employees know (they certainly did with the order) when there is a change of this sort.
Ours did not....another miss IMO
f.