Careful with your bidding ...
short flights long nights
Didn't they try this once before?
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yep, just checked the pairing for JFK
TRIP # 201 (MT) [1,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0]
TRIP # 5201 (MT) [0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0]
So only a Capt on the 5201.
Looks like 203/5203 is OK tho
TRIP # 201 (MT) [1,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0]
TRIP # 5201 (MT) [0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0]
So only a Capt on the 5201.
Looks like 203/5203 is OK tho
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Guys Guys !!!
What does your Chp 7 say the limit is ? Can you all agree on what the max FDP is and margin before one goes into discretion for this JFK trip u mention ;
So answers please ; Ya got to put things into Context before having a gripe to the internet community , ....
BTW: authorities will contact the airline in question if a certain leg
Is going into discretion too much and instruct the airline to resolve any Flt issues without delay; guess crew members will have to keep track of all reports and if concerned ;follow up with the authorities to ensure they have received your report.
So guys calculators out please ; what's the limit ???
We can't comment until facts are present ! Otherwise enjoy your flight to the big apple ; your bar bill just got cheaper with a man down
Furthermore: If your crew reduction on this trip is true ; is this actually going to take place all ahead of the well publicised runway closure in Dubai ? Interesting times for sure , so answers please ...
What does your Chp 7 say the limit is ? Can you all agree on what the max FDP is and margin before one goes into discretion for this JFK trip u mention ;
So answers please ; Ya got to put things into Context before having a gripe to the internet community , ....
BTW: authorities will contact the airline in question if a certain leg
Is going into discretion too much and instruct the airline to resolve any Flt issues without delay; guess crew members will have to keep track of all reports and if concerned ;follow up with the authorities to ensure they have received your report.
So guys calculators out please ; what's the limit ???
We can't comment until facts are present ! Otherwise enjoy your flight to the big apple ; your bar bill just got cheaper with a man down
Furthermore: If your crew reduction on this trip is true ; is this actually going to take place all ahead of the well publicised runway closure in Dubai ? Interesting times for sure , so answers please ...
Last edited by HighLow; 9th Apr 2014 at 07:56. Reason: Q:on RWY closure in Dubai
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So I'll be making sure that my times are marked correctly, I work them out and double and triple check and then when it comes to going into discretion I shall be giving my thumbs down. Why should I risk the lives of my crew and passengers just so that the company can save a few fils because heaven forbid anything happens it'll be my fault.
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Planned 15 hrs is not the flight plan time it's planned time from statistical winds . This was done on the 345 one or two summers and yes 15 -20 mins to spare before discretion . Poor planning based on the Rwy closure . Just had a look, it's 1415 duty for FTL's the 30 mins post flight are for rest planning.
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ULR Rules
Gents, Calm down.
So if at any time during the year the flight time is over 14 hrs a flight is a ULR.
It remains a ULR even if the flight time drops below 14hrs..I.e JFK in summer.
Now...All ULR's must be planned with 4 crew..
It is clearly a miss print on the trips descriptions as it also shows all 3am departure variation flights (MAA,COK etc) having 3 crew as well.
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A pairing is categorised as an Ultra Long Range (ULR) Operation when the scheduled flight time could exceed 14 hours taking into account the mean and seasonal wind changes
It remains a ULR even if the flight time drops below 14hrs..I.e JFK in summer.
Now...All ULR's must be planned with 4 crew..
A ULR crew will normally comprise of 2 Captains and 2 First Officers but may be revised to 1 Captain and 3 First Officers subject to the approval of DSVP-FO
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Fliion , just so you know the 3 man thing has been report to the FAA before, but by all means go ahead. Last time they did nothing, the FAA audit was right after that summer .