EK Pilot Numbers
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EK Pilot Numbers
Juts took a glance at the seniority list.... Thought these figures were quite interesting.
In the last 11 months... we've lost a total of 83 pilots (retirement, leaving, etc). However, we've only hired 131. For a net gain of +48 pilots in the last 11 months.
Hardly the numbers we need to have onboard in order to keep up with deliveries, expansion, etc. And hardly the numbers HR talked about recruiting during the wash-up meetings.
And they said our monthly flight hours would be reducing. Yea, right!!
Thoughts??
In the last 11 months... we've lost a total of 83 pilots (retirement, leaving, etc). However, we've only hired 131. For a net gain of +48 pilots in the last 11 months.
Hardly the numbers we need to have onboard in order to keep up with deliveries, expansion, etc. And hardly the numbers HR talked about recruiting during the wash-up meetings.
And they said our monthly flight hours would be reducing. Yea, right!!
Thoughts??
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vfenext said;
Err, I think you will find that many airlines have a waiting period of 10 plus years before FOs get upgraded to captain. So I don't know what point you are trying to make??? 7 years for a upgrade is a good decision!
If you're a 7 year FO then you've made some bad decisions!
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Err, I think you will find that many airlines have a waiting period of 10 plus years before FOs get upgraded to captain. So I don't know what point you are trying to make??? 7 years for a upgrade is a good decision!
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7 year FO or not. It has nothing to do with the numbers mentioned in the first mail. Ex collegues in my old out fit have waited for 25 years for commands and only this or next year will get one...on A320 or B737.
Bitching about 4-7 years is just ridiculous.
4 is the norm. If there are a few 7 year FO it is an exception. Someone moved from the A330 to A380 just before their commands. That is hardly the norm. So you objective must be to scare people from coming.
I gather most people dont wake up in the morning at say I want to join Emirates. Usually it due to circumstances back home. Thats why we see people coming in groups from the same areas. These days it the Spaniards. Ole..
Bitching about 4-7 years is just ridiculous.
4 is the norm. If there are a few 7 year FO it is an exception. Someone moved from the A330 to A380 just before their commands. That is hardly the norm. So you objective must be to scare people from coming.
I gather most people dont wake up in the morning at say I want to join Emirates. Usually it due to circumstances back home. Thats why we see people coming in groups from the same areas. These days it the Spaniards. Ole..
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And to assume the company will double in size every few years will lead to disappointment!
Still, 492 aircraft on order including the 120 options is a lot of hiring at some stage, even if the entire current fleet was to be retired by the time of last delivery.
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Tim Clark for Gulf News 7th of May 2013.
What is Emirates current fleet size and where do you think it will reach by 2020?
Its around 200 aircraft at present. We know we have 240 aircraft planned to be in use by 2017 and that is an amount of incremental units and retirement of the old fleet. We are in the process of getting through 68 of the old aircraft they all have to be retied. So they will have been finally gone by then.
Emirates to start 777X talks with Boeing in 2 months | GulfNews.com
What is Emirates current fleet size and where do you think it will reach by 2020?
Its around 200 aircraft at present. We know we have 240 aircraft planned to be in use by 2017 and that is an amount of incremental units and retirement of the old fleet. We are in the process of getting through 68 of the old aircraft they all have to be retied. So they will have been finally gone by then.
Emirates to start 777X talks with Boeing in 2 months | GulfNews.com
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The topic raised by CSR is true, but is dependant on your position on the seniority list. The figures quoted are both on the lower side of actual. The point though is very much valid and raises the question of why no 12 month planning?
CF took great pleasure in telling wash-up groups that EK have man power reviews every 3 weeks compared to other airlines who do it 4-6 months, and thats because EK supposedly monitor the situation closely.
However CF was a little taken back when it was pointed out that instead of being a good thing, that FACT shows the opposite. Yes or no - net gain of 24 a/c next year? Yes (CF & CPA), so 24 x number of crews required to operate them. Add expected leavers = Man power requirement for 2014/15!
Only thing to monitor is the recruitment and that is a different topic.
Payscale is right, 4 yrs for UG, but once again that time doesn't take into consideration future UG. The last UG on the list has been in EK for 4yrs. However look at the number of F/O's who, this time next year, would of been in EK for 4 yrs+: There's around 450 of them!!
It is easy to say "get over it", especially if you're already a Capt.
CF took great pleasure in telling wash-up groups that EK have man power reviews every 3 weeks compared to other airlines who do it 4-6 months, and thats because EK supposedly monitor the situation closely.
However CF was a little taken back when it was pointed out that instead of being a good thing, that FACT shows the opposite. Yes or no - net gain of 24 a/c next year? Yes (CF & CPA), so 24 x number of crews required to operate them. Add expected leavers = Man power requirement for 2014/15!
Only thing to monitor is the recruitment and that is a different topic. Payscale is right, 4 yrs for UG, but once again that time doesn't take into consideration future UG. The last UG on the list has been in EK for 4yrs. However look at the number of F/O's who, this time next year, would of been in EK for 4 yrs+: There's around 450 of them!!
It is easy to say "get over it", especially if you're already a Capt.
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Reports: Emirates eyes new first-class product | Components content from ATWOnline
Looks like Emirates fleet is planned to grow by total of 32 aircraft by 2020.
Assuming 18 Crew per aircraft in average that would translate to around 300 more captain positions by 2020. Adding in attrition of 3% for 5.5 years would add around 300 more captain positions.
It looks like 600 upgrades in the next 5.5 years.
Looks like Emirates fleet is planned to grow by total of 32 aircraft by 2020.
Assuming 18 Crew per aircraft in average that would translate to around 300 more captain positions by 2020. Adding in attrition of 3% for 5.5 years would add around 300 more captain positions.
It looks like 600 upgrades in the next 5.5 years.
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However, if you join as a F/O on the 777 today you have 1000 guys ahead of you. Even with a "best case" scenario where you jump up 100 places/year (upgrades/attrition) thatīs at least 10 years.