EK How many are really leaving?
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 657
Likes: 47
From: Asia
Greetings from HK!
EK pilots are always talking about bases in order to stop attrition...fact is that a base in 1st world country is a looooot more expensive (tax, employer's contributions, social security, maternity/paternity/jury leave...) than training a new pilot (and captain). Talk to any CX pilot you know how the bases have worked out here (onshoring dramas, double taxation, AMS/CDG base closure...).
Most of you guys have reached a position in relatively short time compared to a legacy carrier in your home country and now you wanna go home - if I was at EK I would only be interested more money since going home as a 35 year old wide body captain is literally impossible.
AB
EK pilots are always talking about bases in order to stop attrition...fact is that a base in 1st world country is a looooot more expensive (tax, employer's contributions, social security, maternity/paternity/jury leave...) than training a new pilot (and captain). Talk to any CX pilot you know how the bases have worked out here (onshoring dramas, double taxation, AMS/CDG base closure...).
Most of you guys have reached a position in relatively short time compared to a legacy carrier in your home country and now you wanna go home - if I was at EK I would only be interested more money since going home as a 35 year old wide body captain is literally impossible.
AB
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 3,118
Likes: 140
From: overthere
The profit Cher this year will be at least 7 (that's Min of SEVEN) times larger than it was last year. How could anyone even be considering leaving. Creedy gunts.
Anyone ever noticed that the lowering of standards for new joiners always happened after they joined? Weird or what?
The Don
Anyone ever noticed that the lowering of standards for new joiners always happened after they joined? Weird or what?
The Don
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 431
Likes: 0
From: KUL
The same time last year there were 3453 on the list, there are now 3538. So, for the 216 hired, there is only a 85 pilot gain in numbers.
Am I getting my math wrong, or does that say that once hired, on average a pilot will remain on EK payroll for 27 years?
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 75
Likes: 0
From: Left Coast USA
Attrition rate
Basically Close, in 18.9 years EK will have half the pilot force, it does now,
with 3.7 % consistent attrition rate.
Basically, for accurate numbers, disregard forced retirements, demanded by max age restriction, loss of medical etc... Seems plenty in the pipeline for the right seat to stem 3.7 % annual flight deck trimming.
Safe Journies...Sushi
with 3.7 % consistent attrition rate.
Basically, for accurate numbers, disregard forced retirements, demanded by max age restriction, loss of medical etc... Seems plenty in the pipeline for the right seat to stem 3.7 % annual flight deck trimming.
Safe Journies...Sushi
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 1,523
Likes: 61
Welcome to the Airline Emirates
Such a lovely place (such a lovely place)
Such a lovely face.
Plenty of room at the Airline Emirates
Any time of year (any time of year) you can find it here
Last thing I remember, I was
Running for the door
I had to find the passage back to the place I was before
'Relax' said the HR man,
'We are programmed to receive.
You can check out any time you like,
But you can never leave!'
Such a lovely place (such a lovely place)
Such a lovely face.
Plenty of room at the Airline Emirates
Any time of year (any time of year) you can find it here
Last thing I remember, I was
Running for the door
I had to find the passage back to the place I was before
'Relax' said the HR man,
'We are programmed to receive.
You can check out any time you like,
But you can never leave!'
Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 130
Likes: 0
From: SA
I have started to look elsewhere as I see that there is no future here just a treadmill going nowhere.
Profit share only exists on paper, staff travel is a joke, days off are few and far between, Dubai is too expensive even for the basics.
The corporate mentality towards the pilot group is becoming worse by the day.
Profit share only exists on paper, staff travel is a joke, days off are few and far between, Dubai is too expensive even for the basics.
The corporate mentality towards the pilot group is becoming worse by the day.
Guest
Posts: n/a
Desdihold…
SPOT ON as they say here and as Panther said, you summed it ALL up in about 2-3 sentences!
I guess they can and will get away with it until more of us see that door that they often mention is available to us.
Me thinks in about a year's time that door will have to be a rather wide one handling lots of passer by's wanting to go thru it.
K
SPOT ON as they say here and as Panther said, you summed it ALL up in about 2-3 sentences!
I guess they can and will get away with it until more of us see that door that they often mention is available to us.
Me thinks in about a year's time that door will have to be a rather wide one handling lots of passer by's wanting to go thru it.
K
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 780
Likes: 10
From: Doctor's waiting room
I heard that 90 guys are serving their 90 days notice period in these days. Can it be true?
A reduction of required qualifications has dramatically increased the applicant pool.
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 121
Likes: 10
From: Dubai, UAE
Hi guys, new to the forum. Just felt the urge to register and write a few lines.
Not sure how many are really leaving, but there's certainly more if things keep going the way they're going at the moment.
- I understand that due to many reasons EK needs to increase fares for staff travel tickets. They could just send a note or an email stating the fact and the reasons behind. But sending an email hiding it and, on top of that, advertising it as a massive new benefit? Sounds like no respect for us. (By the way, 20% increase in ID90 for me to fly back home compared to 2013).
- Salary - housing allowance. A 0.5% pay increase last year against a 15% inflation. Massive pay cut.
- I wonder what are they saying to people attending the roadshows when average time to command must be around 8-10 years (at least!) and the advantages of being an expat in Dubai are slowly fading away?
Just a quick thought to finish.
I came to Dubai (and I think everyone else's too) because I could have a better living standard than back home and I was planning to save some good money and help me retire earlier. (Maybe even send my kids to a better uni). Nowadays, Dubai is so expensive and our salary so outdated that I can't save, and my living standard is deteriorating day by day.
Thinking of alternatives now.
Not sure how many are really leaving, but there's certainly more if things keep going the way they're going at the moment.
- I understand that due to many reasons EK needs to increase fares for staff travel tickets. They could just send a note or an email stating the fact and the reasons behind. But sending an email hiding it and, on top of that, advertising it as a massive new benefit? Sounds like no respect for us. (By the way, 20% increase in ID90 for me to fly back home compared to 2013).
- Salary - housing allowance. A 0.5% pay increase last year against a 15% inflation. Massive pay cut.
- I wonder what are they saying to people attending the roadshows when average time to command must be around 8-10 years (at least!) and the advantages of being an expat in Dubai are slowly fading away?
Just a quick thought to finish.
I came to Dubai (and I think everyone else's too) because I could have a better living standard than back home and I was planning to save some good money and help me retire earlier. (Maybe even send my kids to a better uni). Nowadays, Dubai is so expensive and our salary so outdated that I can't save, and my living standard is deteriorating day by day.
Thinking of alternatives now.