How many duty hours did you actually do at EK in 2013?
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I can't see a mass of people leaving either, but retention is only one side of the HR coin, the other is recruitment. If other airlines in the region start offering commuter friendly rosters it will be interesting to see if EK is forced to react or if the brand is strong enough to keep the CV pile topped up anyway.
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Overtime? Reach for a sharp pencil - after a few deductions the company dumps 70,000 dirhams into my bank account every month. If I earned that by flying 92 hours I was paid 760 dirhams per hour. If I stray above 92 hours I will get paid 600 dirhams for each additional hour, offering my services at a special 20% discount over my normal rate.
I'll get back to you on that attractive offer…..
I'll get back to you on that attractive offer…..
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The one thing to remember is that those that are leaving now (and there definitely are some) started thinking about it and looking 12 months ago. They started seriously looking and making plans 6-9 months ago. I know it would take me that long just to get my logbook sorted. You anal retentive, smug, Logten Pro geeks worry me 
We're a slow moving, conservative lot by nature. But, as someone else wrote, once we start looking....... Many/most of the guys I fly with are actively looking.
We're a slow moving, conservative lot by nature. But, as someone else wrote, once we start looking....... Many/most of the guys I fly with are actively looking.
Anyone who wants productivity pay has rocks in their head. It was Aed 460 for a Captain in the 90s when a 1st yr Capts salary was circa Aed 20000, and you got it after 84 hrs, with credit given for leave, SIMs, RSV etc etc.
Its Aed 600 now after 92hrs, with no credit for anything other than block time (well ok, SIM if your a trainer or Support) and the Capt basic is circa Aed 35000. I am with Drop on this one. I don't work extra for less money.
Do not say you will waive the payment for a trip you want, as suggested above. That will only help the slide down the slippery slope. Its only a job. If you need to dial two to roster adjust, do it for a nice trip, as it helps your roster, and is a bonus for the fella called out. A true win win.
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Its Aed 600 now after 92hrs, with no credit for anything other than block time (well ok, SIM if your a trainer or Support) and the Capt basic is circa Aed 35000. I am with Drop on this one. I don't work extra for less money.
Do not say you will waive the payment for a trip you want, as suggested above. That will only help the slide down the slippery slope. Its only a job. If you need to dial two to roster adjust, do it for a nice trip, as it helps your roster, and is a bonus for the fella called out. A true win win.
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Is it possible for the clever log ten pro guys to work out what their duty hours average per day at work, non trainer? Agree with Don, it's not overtime it's undertime...
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I´m sorry to be the reality check! but I work for an "legacy" carrier in europe and in 2013 I did 700ish block hours and around 1530 hours of duty time.note that I don´t get paid for any duty time, I discount almost a total of 52% to taxes and social security(although im pretty sure that when the times comes for me to retire there´s no money, or they reduced it so much I won´t be able to live..). I have a general schedule of 5 on 2 off and do normally a split service per week combined with other rotation that require me to get up at 3:30 in the morning and fly for 10 block hours, with only minimum rest of 12 hours before..so it sounds almost outlandish for me what you are describing, knowing that you get paid very well, get housing, get free cleaning of your uniform, get a limo service to and from the airport, get a big saving acount for when your older, and even get discounts at most of the places in dubai..
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Emirates is a good airline, however, it could be a GREAT airline.
700 hours a year and you are not changing that many time zones, not that many night flights.
try 800-900 hrs/yr and hitting every time zone. I was rostered for a far east flight, followed by 3 days off and a ULR flight across the pole to the west coast.
Its easy to say we are complaining. EK is currently interviewing, so apply and let us know if we are really complaining after being here a few years.
Ek isn't bad, but it could be a lot better. Talk to those who have been around for 5-10 years, its nothing compared to what it was. I've flown with ONE guy in the last 6 months who was actually content here.
700 hours a year and you are not changing that many time zones, not that many night flights.
try 800-900 hrs/yr and hitting every time zone. I was rostered for a far east flight, followed by 3 days off and a ULR flight across the pole to the west coast.
Its easy to say we are complaining. EK is currently interviewing, so apply and let us know if we are really complaining after being here a few years.
Ek isn't bad, but it could be a lot better. Talk to those who have been around for 5-10 years, its nothing compared to what it was. I've flown with ONE guy in the last 6 months who was actually content here.
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What is it they say, 'behaviour breeds behaviour'? Funny that, in the last 6 months or so I've probably flown with only ONE person who wasn't happy in EK.
Which seat you're sat in may make a difference. The whingers are normally in the left! (unless you're American, then it doesn't matter which seat you're in!)
What is it they say, 'behaviour breeds behaviour'? Funny that, in the last 6 months or so I've probably flown with only ONE person who wasn't happy in EK.
Which seat you're sat in may make a difference. The whingers are normally in the left! (unless you're American, then it doesn't matter which seat you're in!)
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Originally Posted by captain chipotle
I've flown with ONE guy in the last 6 months who was actually content here.
