Asiana 777 crash at KSFO
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Cfit?
Agree with wizz and 8che
This accident would be classified as a LOC (Loss Of Control) in flight, not a CFIT.
On a different note, Have you seen the potential fatigue factor mentioned anywhere in the media?
This accident would be classified as a LOC (Loss Of Control) in flight, not a CFIT.
On a different note, Have you seen the potential fatigue factor mentioned anywhere in the media?
miller,
It's relevant because the lessons learnt and emphasis put in future training often come down to what is currently the most prevalent cause of accidents.
training and EGPWS has reduced CFIT from being the most common cause of preventable crashes to almost zero- and LOC has replaced it.
It's relevant because the lessons learnt and emphasis put in future training often come down to what is currently the most prevalent cause of accidents.
training and EGPWS has reduced CFIT from being the most common cause of preventable crashes to almost zero- and LOC has replaced it.
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whoa whoa whoa...You mentioned "fatigue." I think what you meant to say was 'tired.' Fatigue is a medical condition that most pilots don't seem to understand. It requires a certain set of pre-conditions to be valid and, consequently, does not exist in our industry. Certainly not at any of the middle eastern carriers.
whoa whoa whoa...You mentioned "fatigue." I think what you meant to say was 'tired.' Fatigue is a medical condition that most pilots don't seem to understand. It requires a certain set of pre-conditions to be valid and, consequently, does not exist in our industry. Certainly not at any of the middle eastern carriers.
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You say you are from the USA, but I've never heard an American say "rubbish"
I'm from the USA. I say 'rubbish' now. Also, to my chagrin, 'whilst' and 'amongst'. I refuse, however, to say 'maths', 'zed' or 'full stop'.
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Thread Creep Alert!
I say "mobile" not "cell", "car park" not "parking lot", "ice" hockey because it's just easier that way. I still don't undrstand cricket. Rugby is pretty good. AFL is for guys that wear short shorts and tight shirts... but I really don't care because my wife makes more than I do, she's American, and she likes it here. And now, to get back on the thread: Those guys didn't know WTF was going on in that airplane and they crashed it, plain and simple. Lucky more were not lost.
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You say you are from the USA, but I've never heard an American say "rubbish"
Oh yeah, and sometimes I use V/S and other times I use FLCH. Sometimes VNAV. I'm all over the map, MCP-wise.
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Originally Posted by jaarule
Yes, Knight, but that's because you come from what you freely admit is a sheltered workshop
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WTF is a 'sheltered workshop'? I have no idea what you are waffling on about unless you're an Australian who can't bear to be 2-0 down in the cricket!!!!And yes wiz, CFIT descibes LOC very well........... It's an Oxymoron for putting a perfectly good aeroplane into the ground painfully
The Asiana 777 was under 'control'. Just not as Boeing designed it to be
Sorry, WK, but CFIT and LOC are two quite distinct types of accident.
How can it be "Controlled flight into terrain" if control has been lost?
How can it be "Controlled flight into terrain" if control has been lost?
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EVA 777 instructed go-around by tower 28L SFO
Incident: EVA B773 at San Francisco on Jul 23rd 2013, descended below safe height
Almost happened again for rwy 28L?
Almost happened again for rwy 28L?
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Sorry folks; not LOC. the thing was still flying. Albeit barely..... If you chaps bothered reading accident reports you'll find CFIT is used far more than LOC for this kind of prang...
It was upright, still flying if a little slowly, all bits working. Ergo CFIT.
It was upright, still flying if a little slowly, all bits working. Ergo CFIT.
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LOC
Description
Loss of control in flight is a major cause of fatal aircraft accidents. Loss of control usually occurs because the aircraft enters a flight regime which is outside its normal envelope.
Description
Loss of control in flight is a major cause of fatal aircraft accidents. Loss of control usually occurs because the aircraft enters a flight regime which is outside its normal envelope.
Controlled flight into terrain (CFIT) describes an accident in which an airworthy aircraft, under pilot control, is unintentionally flown into the ground, a mountain, water, or an obstacle.[
Stop flogging a dead horse WK.
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I didn't know your parents were Asian Pilotday.
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KSFO-AM - FAA Places Restrictions on Foreign Pilots Landing at San Francisco [From ABC News]
FAA restricts non-US airlines from doing the dreaded CAVOK visual approach in SFO
FAA restricts non-US airlines from doing the dreaded CAVOK visual approach in SFO
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Foreign... as in only US carriers can fly the visual...not Canadian or British or German etc etc etc? That narrows it down a little hey? Carry extra fuel as SFO just got waaaaaay busier!
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Canadian and others will get visuals.
Sounds like the lawyers get involved with political correctness. Just think "foreign airline" means Air China, Asiana et al. Not Air Canada, Jazz, Speedbird, Qantas, Lufthansa...
This is nothing new, US Controllers have always treated "foreign airlines" with kit gloves.
Sounds like the lawyers get involved with political correctness. Just think "foreign airline" means Air China, Asiana et al. Not Air Canada, Jazz, Speedbird, Qantas, Lufthansa...
This is nothing new, US Controllers have always treated "foreign airlines" with kit gloves.
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