EK...The Less Than Good Things
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Completely Agree with you Swan Man
You hit the nail on the head mate.
Police isn't just third world, its also the way the state functions, especially with archaic and primitive ways of enforcing the law in courts and having a price tag for everything.
Well, you need the give the devil its due, the state lives off YOUR "service-charge" funding.
the beauty of this scheme, is that its with your money that they window dress up a deseart and dont give you any sense of ownership, all thats to dangling the carrot of "No Taxes".(!).
According to the U.A.E State Budget report released by the Ministry of Finance in Abu Dhabi, 80 percent of state (tax) revenues come from service charges and fines, so at everystage, there is an Emirati waiting for you with a big smile and an invoice, no matter where you go be it Du, Etisalat, Ejari, Wasl, SALIK or DEWA.
I did a calculation of my costs whilst i lived in Dubai, though the pay was at the standard 'crew' livable levels, service tax including Salik and other 'tag-alongs' which for me accounted close to 30 percent, and yet, no matter how long you live, there's never a permanent residency.
Dont ever make the mistake of buying a house, trusting the Arabs, you never know if they change the Governance by Royal Decree in 10 years and unrecognise the fact that a 'non-arab' owns a house in the U.A.E.
The fact that i love the most in the U.A.E, the arabs figured a way to hold everyone by the 'low-hanging-fruits' on contracts and there's no such thing as a "Pilot Union" that can ever be created!...
Mann you guys are screwed!.
Police isn't just third world, its also the way the state functions, especially with archaic and primitive ways of enforcing the law in courts and having a price tag for everything.
Well, you need the give the devil its due, the state lives off YOUR "service-charge" funding.
the beauty of this scheme, is that its with your money that they window dress up a deseart and dont give you any sense of ownership, all thats to dangling the carrot of "No Taxes".(!).
According to the U.A.E State Budget report released by the Ministry of Finance in Abu Dhabi, 80 percent of state (tax) revenues come from service charges and fines, so at everystage, there is an Emirati waiting for you with a big smile and an invoice, no matter where you go be it Du, Etisalat, Ejari, Wasl, SALIK or DEWA.
I did a calculation of my costs whilst i lived in Dubai, though the pay was at the standard 'crew' livable levels, service tax including Salik and other 'tag-alongs' which for me accounted close to 30 percent, and yet, no matter how long you live, there's never a permanent residency.
Dont ever make the mistake of buying a house, trusting the Arabs, you never know if they change the Governance by Royal Decree in 10 years and unrecognise the fact that a 'non-arab' owns a house in the U.A.E.
The fact that i love the most in the U.A.E, the arabs figured a way to hold everyone by the 'low-hanging-fruits' on contracts and there's no such thing as a "Pilot Union" that can ever be created!...
Mann you guys are screwed!.
One trick certain BA pilots used to do at LHR was taxi in towards the allocated stand and stop short then request a tug to tow them to the stand. This quite often took time to organise and would determin the next level of 'box' payments on long haul flights, or in some cases an extra day off because of hours limitations.
I can see the picture now, Six 380's stopped short of stands at DXB and tugs running around the apron dragging them in. Utter chaos! Think of the overtime though
I can see the picture now, Six 380's stopped short of stands at DXB and tugs running around the apron dragging them in. Utter chaos! Think of the overtime though
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7-21-1 lays out the 30 mins post flight rule for the Cabin Crew. I don't know why the same sentence isn't in the Flight deck rules, but that's how it is applied in practice.
7-21-1 lays out the 30 mins post flight rule for the Cabin Crew. I don't know why the same sentence isn't in the Flight deck rules, but that's how it is applied in practice.
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There appears to be an omission in the definitions:-
Standard Reporting/Post-Flight Duty Times – Flight Crew
"The Standard Reporting Time for flight crew prior to a flight will be 1 hour
for both operating and positioning flight crew."
The post - flight duty time is missing.
The OM A always used to define it as 30 mins after on chocks.Typo I think?
Standard Reporting/Post-Flight Duty Times – Flight Crew
"The Standard Reporting Time for flight crew prior to a flight will be 1 hour
for both operating and positioning flight crew."
The post - flight duty time is missing.
The OM A always used to define it as 30 mins after on chocks.Typo I think?
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How typical that items go "missing" at Emirates.
Fact remains that when we set the brakes at the end of the flight we are OFF duty. The 30 mins is only for our next duty. They can not give us another duty for 12 hours plus the 30 mins.
Funny how no one has mentioned the Factoring. The most illegal aspect of any airline in the world. How can they get away with that?
Fact remains that when we set the brakes at the end of the flight we are OFF duty. The 30 mins is only for our next duty. They can not give us another duty for 12 hours plus the 30 mins.
Funny how no one has mentioned the Factoring. The most illegal aspect of any airline in the world. How can they get away with that?
The most illegal aspect of any airline in the world.
Don't ruin it by going into hysterical exageration.
They currently have leagle approval that means, including bunk time, some guys have gone up to 970 odd hours.
It stinks and it looks like it WILL eventually go, but I've flown on FTLs that allowed 1000hrs doing short-haul, multi sector, and FTPs in the States have allowed up to 1200hrs.
Now think about your average African or Russian operation...
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Heaven forbid that my kids get seriously ill as I have zero confidence that these people will pay up
I know it's out of our own pocket, but it's worth every dollar!
EK will instantly drop you or your dependants like a hot potato when you start costing, so we need genuine protection.
Check out the after EK conditions as well ->
Ceterum censeo Platinum esse delendam
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Medical Benefits
......claim is rejected.
No further information, no response to my email queries,
no info over the phone.
Just rejected,
"Not covered"
"Fees will be recovered by payroll deduction"
So p*ssed off about the whole thing! It fails to deliver on every level
PS: I am not moaning for the sake of moaning, believe me. These are genuine comments, unfortunately. I would not vent my frustration on PPrune otherwise!
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Wiz when I said the Factoring is the most illegal thing in the Industry I meant it. When the company imposed this illegal concept it was a total F.U to us and to the rules that they think constrains them. "We will do what we want to do and no one can stop us or tell us what to do."
What part of 900 hours do they not like? How many EK pilots are over 900 hours this year and how many are over 1000 hours? Too many.
How many airlines have the Factoring concept? None that I can think of. Yes I know in the US the FAA says you can fly 1000 hours a year. However with the other rules that the FAA institutes I don't know too many pilots that are even close to the Red Line limit of 1000 hours. That is what the limit is, a Red Line. You don't run your car at the Red Line for 3 years do you? Why do airlines run the pilots at the limit?
Hopefully we will be done with this illegal concept within the year if CASA has anything to do with it. Isn't is funny that a foreign authority has to dictate to the GCAA what to do to remain legal? The joys of living in the Middle East.
What part of 900 hours do they not like? How many EK pilots are over 900 hours this year and how many are over 1000 hours? Too many.
How many airlines have the Factoring concept? None that I can think of. Yes I know in the US the FAA says you can fly 1000 hours a year. However with the other rules that the FAA institutes I don't know too many pilots that are even close to the Red Line limit of 1000 hours. That is what the limit is, a Red Line. You don't run your car at the Red Line for 3 years do you? Why do airlines run the pilots at the limit?
Hopefully we will be done with this illegal concept within the year if CASA has anything to do with it. Isn't is funny that a foreign authority has to dictate to the GCAA what to do to remain legal? The joys of living in the Middle East.
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Not sure if the point you're making is a technicality regarding the wording but our duty time is chocks +30minutes. Our FDP (Flight Duty Period) stops at chocks but we're are still on duty until 30 minutes after chocks. Our rest period starts after this.
This is the same FTL scheme as used in the UK and fail to understand why so many people here still get confused between Flight Duty Period and Duty Period.
This is how it works in my country and for the airline I work for....but got a question, what about the time it takes you to get from the airport to the hotel/home? is that count as part of whatever the minimun rest period is or not??? I am saying that period of the 30 mins after chocks that certainly wont take you to any hotel and rest!!
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Not sure if the point you're making is a technicality regarding the wording but our duty time is chocks +30minutes. Our FDP (Flight Duty Period) stops at chocks but we're are still on duty until 30 minutes after chocks. Our rest period starts after this.
This is the same FTL scheme as used in the UK and fail to understand why so many people here still get confused between Flight Duty Period and Duty Period.
This is how it works in my country and for the airline I work for....but got a question, what about the time it takes you to get from the airport to the hotel/home? is that count as part of whatever the minimun rest period is or not??? I am saying that period of the 30 mins after chocks that certainly wont take you to any hotel and rest!!
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On a lighter note, how about the weekly safety update:
- Full flap selected at 1495'
- Touchdown "towards the end of the touchdown zone"
- 1100fpm descent at 970' for 1 second
Any others I'm missing?!
- Full flap selected at 1495'
- Touchdown "towards the end of the touchdown zone"
- 1100fpm descent at 970' for 1 second
Any others I'm missing?!
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Oh, and, of course, the recent glut of advertising deals, even that signed with my favourite US MLS team, the New York Soccer Bandits, or whatever the hell they're called...
short flights long nights
How do you actually measure 1495 feet?
This stuff in comical.
This stuff in comical.
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Continuing the theme- Descending in VNAV, generally out of a strong wind, descent rate at FL 280 increases to 5,200fpm for 30 seconds or so before reducing. Why was this ever considered worthy of an ASR? Where's the safety risk? Why is it still occasionally reported?
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I think maybe some of you need to have a look at the practices of other successful airlines. A weekly digest of ASRs is a very useful thing to have access to. Many airlines hide this information from their pilots. Take it for what it is, learn something from it. If that's the worst thing they are doing to you here, then it probably ain't that bad?
I think either this thread needs to get a sense of perspective or be closed.
I think either this thread needs to get a sense of perspective or be closed.
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Muroch,
You mention an interesting thing....perspective. Have you lived in the Middle East flying the rosters these pilots do whilst facing numerous challenges everyday with your family far from home? If you have, great, you have some insight to share. If not, better to just let these guys beak off. They do have legitimate grievances. The package sold to get bums on seats changes radically once you sign on the dotted line and are committed overseas for a number of years. We all make our choices in life but, honestly, a thread about the not so good things there is "fair enough" in my estimation.
Honestly, I would say this thread is pretty restrained.
You mention an interesting thing....perspective. Have you lived in the Middle East flying the rosters these pilots do whilst facing numerous challenges everyday with your family far from home? If you have, great, you have some insight to share. If not, better to just let these guys beak off. They do have legitimate grievances. The package sold to get bums on seats changes radically once you sign on the dotted line and are committed overseas for a number of years. We all make our choices in life but, honestly, a thread about the not so good things there is "fair enough" in my estimation.
Honestly, I would say this thread is pretty restrained.
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The package definitely did change. During your interview you will be told about the bidding process, contractual 3% step increases yearly, profit share, productivity pay, utility allowances that are pegged to the rental market, livable rosters, etc. Then you arrive and get a step every few years if you are lucky, no profit share, onerous rosters, housing increases 30% and allowances remain unchanged, etc. Think hard before making the plunge. No point in moving to the middle east and flying yourself into an early grave if you can't save much money in the process.
