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Lamborne Hold and Heathrow

Old 13th May 2013, 10:27
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Angry Lamborne Hold and Heathrow

Whilst it is a no brainer that BA get priority into EGLL, has anyone here got a direct in for the ILS(27) from LOGAN?.

I flow yesterday into LHR and we were on the hold for about 15 minutes when we came in on time, initial was deviate right off LOGAN, report Abeam and join the 'pain-in-the-arse" Lamborne.

I'd like to know how they treat you folks; for the moment, i'd like to keep my airline code under wraps.

Though i must admit, this for me was a flight into EGLL after a long break, it was pissing off to see how screwed up traffic management is in LHR.
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Old 13th May 2013, 10:35
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I don't think so !

BA don't get any priority in the London FIR it is just the fact that they are one of the largest operators at LHR and to the casual observer it might seem that way.

The UK ATC services are one of the few places in the world that treat all traffic equally unlike some I could mention.

I now fly for a non UK airline and find no diference in the way London ATC treat us than when I was flying for UK registered airlines........... The quality of the service is always very high.

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Old 13th May 2013, 10:43
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It's a nonsense to suggest that BA "get priority" at EGLL. This is not some banana republic where such things happen with the major based operators, which you maybe have experience of elsewhere.

When there are periods of disruption BA are the FIRST to get cancellations, principally of their domestic services, even when others get no cancellations at all, and invariably end up with a greater percentage of cancellations at such times than anyone else.

From where I currently am there is quite a reasonable view from the ground of the traffic over NE London, and you do indeed see people getting a straight-in from time to time when quieter. I believe the runways at Heathrow from 0600 to 2200 are among the most saturated in the world. If you want something done about it maybe you can drop a note out of the DV window as you pass overhead Parliament when you finally get your approach. Alternatively, get your company to use Stansted - you can see it on the right hand side as you approach LAM. Nice and quiet.
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Old 13th May 2013, 10:46
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Angry BA, Baah!..

BA Does get priority for London; we were arrival and departure.

We were lined up no 3, and at the two LINKS, two BA's departed before us; when everyone knew it the next to leave was us.

Interestingly, BA was not on the hold; they were cleared on Vectors.

CDG gives priority to AF, but they dont shove you on the hold mate.
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Old 13th May 2013, 10:47
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This is not some banana republic where such things happen with the major based operators, which you maybe have experience of elsewhere.
"Cough, cough" Spain "cough"

We were lined up no 3, and at the two LINKS, two BA's departed before us; when everyone knew it the next to leave was us.
If you're a heavy and they weren't then perhaps it was for flow management. Perhaps they had slots and you were early. Perhaps it was mere coincidence. There is a reason why the word exists!

Don't go to a Spanish airport! You'll top yourself! (Unless you are flying for a Spanish airline).

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Old 13th May 2013, 10:57
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LHR, best ATC in the world....

Sunday, Saturday, Wednesday or Thursday....the place runs at 98-100% capacity all the time, the day of the week doesn't matter.
As for how we are treated, it's an A380 destination these days for EK, so maybe someone will answer that, on the 777 we still go there on the freighter and its a pleasure....LHR does what it says on the tin...plan for it and its easier than anywhere else I've been.

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Old 13th May 2013, 10:57
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You might want to choose a different handle. It appears to say it all. Three times.
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Old 13th May 2013, 11:00
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It is not a simple first come first serve at LHR. I work for BA, we frequently wait whilst Saudi or AA or other airlines jump in front of us. Especially when another heavy has just departed. It's not about who arrived at the RW first, it's all about how they can get the maximum aircraft airborne as quickly as possible.

As for vectors, poor knowledge on your part. Firstly you don't know whether they slowed up very early - something that does NOT affect your place in the queue... With ATC permission if you come back to min clean after you enter UK airspace with a big delay then you don't lose your place in the queue. It could be for various other reasons too. If you want to see blatant priority then there are many places I could suggest, LHR is not one of them.
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Old 13th May 2013, 11:01
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Angry Not Heavy and not BA

not Heavy Flier, i dont think a 320 can be called heavy; apart from a pissed off American at the back, we waited for 4 BA's, departing from both LINK positions.

Might i mention we were slowed down before to get in an "Arab" in as well?;

Dep was over Dover which is fine, that's well planned and managed, but why the FL 220 restriction, before Mastrict?;

And when you get into Mastrict, you asked to bloody expedite as if your arse was on fire.

Clearly, the U.K's screwing up big time and now they dont have the darn decency to call and coordinate with the next airspace, which is the pits.

Banana Republic!; your darn right is, dont get me started mate, what's left of the U.K now anyway?; what ever happened to the U.K we knew?; All the good guys left the U.K long back seeing mess there?

What's Friggen Chicken Tikka Masala? and Bangladouch's everywhere?; whilst i respect other cultures and the contribution they make, but we have lost all that we once stood for.

Maybe you folks dont know the U.K. i knew in the 80's. Irrespective of traffic and hold, they treated you with respect, no matter which flag you had on your tail.
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Old 13th May 2013, 11:07
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If you are not happy with EGLL ATC, then nothing will make you happy. Best ATC in the world with no, even close, seconds.
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Old 13th May 2013, 11:08
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RETARD, you ARE a complete RETARD. You insult the integrity of UK air traffic controllers and you are talking complete and absolute tosh based on obvious zero knowledge of how ATC works. Get yourself educated pronto.
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Old 13th May 2013, 11:08
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I think "Retard" is a highly appropriate name. I was a Heathrow controller for 31 years and I can assure you that BA gets no priority despite what you might think. You simply have no idea how the system functions. You might be number x at the hold and someone departs ahead of you from an intersection but that is very common, not because of the airline but because at the time is was tactically good ATC procedure to "fill a slot". The UK ATC system is utterly fair and impartial.

You talk so much garbage I really wonder if you are a troll. If you really are a pilot then please God don't ever, EVER let me fly with you.
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Old 13th May 2013, 11:10
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This garbage has appeared elsewhere. Best ignored.
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Old 13th May 2013, 11:10
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You got a problem mate, you need to sort yourself out. I think the desert sand's got to you. Your wheels are hot too, try the break fan!.

Obviously your not picking up the signals here, owing to LHR's arsed traffic handling, its no surprise that in the last 4 years around 10 airlines have chosen to fly to Luton and Stanstead and we arent talking Low Cost Airlines.

Isn't that a message clear enough?.
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Old 13th May 2013, 11:14
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LHR, best ATC in the world....

Sunday, Saturday, Wednesday or Thursday....the place runs at 98-100% capacity all the time, the day of the week doesn't matter.
As for how we are treated, it's an A380 destination these days for EK, so maybe someone will answer that, on the 777 we still go there on the freighter and its a pleasure....LHR does what it says on the tin...plan for it and its easier than anywhere else I've been.
Cut and paste from my ME thread post.

I second everything else spoken on here, retard, either you are a troll or you have very little working knowledge of the place, in which case you need to do a bit of reading as you sound like you should know better.
BA don't get priority, a good % of departures are slot restricted, and then it's a case of the controllers maximising the flow...as BA make up the vast % of flights out of LHR, then it stands to reason that a BA airframe is more likely to be shoehorned into the departure sequence, QED.

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Old 13th May 2013, 11:15
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I used to work at London ATC and would bet my pension that BA does not get priority. As far as ATC is concerned you all pay the same charges so all get the same service.

Heathrow is so busy all day that a straight-in would only be offered very early in the morning or late in the evening. I am not sure what the circumstances were but maybe you had to hold because you arrived before 0600 and did not have an airport runway slot until after that time. The BA aircraft behind you was probably able to land before 0600.

As far as departures are concerned, exactly when you are cleared for take-off depends on the other aircraft their vortex wake category and which SID they are following. There has to be at least 2 minutes between aircraft following the same or similar SIDs e.g WOBUN/BPK, CPT/SAM.
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Old 13th May 2013, 11:22
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I call a Spade a Spade

Heathrow, interesting that you mentioned you worked for ATC, any reason why you cant coordinate with Mastrict for for higher or is that below your assumed dignity?; and you prefer us to meander over the English Channel to be someone else's responsibility?

I love the Brit Ego, when sadly there's nothing left of the UK anymore.

Facts are facts, CDG gives priority to AF, Franfurt for LH and LHR for you know who.

Truth is your too arrogant to admit it that your CNS/ATM Service is a bunch of and have no clue what you do with it.

Try flying into JFK, OMDB or Singapore for that matter.

The icing on the cake was yesterday's ATIS; "...We will not be responsible for wing-tip clearence". I ATIS has a legal disclaimer?!...!

So let me get this stright, your controllers can fiddle- me around the airport at their discretion and because they cant relate to my aircraft category and route, ".Hard Cheese".

Bury your pride to save your hide.

Period!
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Old 13th May 2013, 11:26
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Reposting this here from the Forum.


I love the Brit Ego, when sadly there's nothing left of the UK anymore.

Facts are facts, CDG gives priority to AF, Franfurt for LH and LHR for you know who.

Truth is your too friggen arrogant to admit it that your CNS/ATM Service is a bunch of bollacks and have no clue what you do with it.

Try flying into JFK, OMDB or Singapore for that matter.

The icing on the cake was yesterday's ATIS; "...We wont be held responsible for wing-tip clearence". A Friggen ATIS has a legal disclaimer?!...!. When did that happen?.

So let me get this straight, your controllers can fiddle-f**K me around the airport at their discretion and because they cant relate to my aircraft category and route, ".Hard Cheese".

Bury your pride to save your hide.
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Old 13th May 2013, 11:30
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Try flying into JFK, OMDB or Singapore for that matter
I do, on a more regular basis than I'm betting you do, and you are talking horse manure....
Actually come think of it, retard is quite an apt description...you sound like a rather disaffected antipodean.
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Old 13th May 2013, 11:31
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Calling a spade a spade? No, you are much more rude than that. I was never based at LHR, but did occasionally operate there, not for BA, by the way. But I support strongly the view that London ATC is impartial and of absolutely top quality. Retard, you have the wrong end of the stick entirely. Despite what you think, UK ATC does not gang up on you - or on anyone else. Like others above, I have seen national priority in other countries; one blatant example has been named above.
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