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So much anger over the perception that someone "jumped the queue"?
I really hope you are a Tesco delivery driver. If you were a pilot, I think you would be past your sell-by date, I would certainly not like to be on board an aircraft with someone with the displayed state of mine at the controls.
Worrying thougt.
I really hope you are a Tesco delivery driver. If you were a pilot, I think you would be past your sell-by date, I would certainly not like to be on board an aircraft with someone with the displayed state of mine at the controls.
Worrying thougt.
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"Rule Brittania" | Maintain minimum clean speed and join the lamborne hold at 6000(!)
its shocking that everyone jumps to defend it, and yet no has the guts to deny it.
I like the way i was called a 'troll' 6 times and yet no one has anything construtive to say, except a few which toed the line of 'constructiveness' and was brought back by the false Brit Pride.
Lets agree to disagree then.
I know what saw and lets keep it that way.
Do pardon the aggressiveness, this takes the cake on how defensive guys can get on London, obviously, someone's hiding something.
Its no wonder that the British economy is in shambles which obviously is rooted by heaps of arrogance and attitude.
your living in what psychologists call the "Denial" phase; you need help and Fast!.
thanks.
I like the way i was called a 'troll' 6 times and yet no one has anything construtive to say, except a few which toed the line of 'constructiveness' and was brought back by the false Brit Pride.
Lets agree to disagree then.
I know what saw and lets keep it that way.
Do pardon the aggressiveness, this takes the cake on how defensive guys can get on London, obviously, someone's hiding something.
Its no wonder that the British economy is in shambles which obviously is rooted by heaps of arrogance and attitude.
your living in what psychologists call the "Denial" phase; you need help and Fast!.
thanks.
Is this a rumour? Or news?!
Why is this even in the 'Rumour & News' section? Would it not be better in the 'ATC' forum? You might get an answer there? But I guess you already know the facts Mr Retard, as you have so eloquently demonstrated. 
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Wot? BA hasn't ever had priority at LHR?
There was always the case of the BAC 1-11 (VY?) which always got priority after it was left pointing towards Boscombe Down one day and forgotten while on vectors for 09L/R (in my day).
If anyone has the tale which was posted here a few years ago in an audio file, please repost. It might lighten up the thread and make the retard laugh.
There was always the case of the BAC 1-11 (VY?) which always got priority after it was left pointing towards Boscombe Down one day and forgotten while on vectors for 09L/R (in my day).
If anyone has the tale which was posted here a few years ago in an audio file, please repost. It might lighten up the thread and make the retard laugh.
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Hmmm.... Jeddah... RETARD RETARD RETARD...
One could say the same flying in Jeddah, and Riyadh too. Saudia, at time gets priority over other carriers.
Conspiracy or retalitation of some type
? What ya think RETARD?
BTW... London Control... Tops
One could say the same flying in Jeddah, and Riyadh too. Saudia, at time gets priority over other carriers.
Conspiracy or retalitation of some type
? What ya think RETARD?BTW... London Control... Tops
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Retard,
as bak bak has said you should post in the ATC section. Someone there can give you an overall picture of the likely reasons. Most importantly a written complaint from your airline, logging the exact details, will most certainly trigger a response. ATC take that type of complaint VERY seriously and would likely include review of r/t & radar tapes. So you'd better make sure that you're justified and not just blowing off steam.
as bak bak has said you should post in the ATC section. Someone there can give you an overall picture of the likely reasons. Most importantly a written complaint from your airline, logging the exact details, will most certainly trigger a response. ATC take that type of complaint VERY seriously and would likely include review of r/t & radar tapes. So you'd better make sure that you're justified and not just blowing off steam.
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Wot? BA hasn't ever had priority at LHR?
There was always the case of the BAC 1-11 (VY?) which always got priority after it was left pointing towards Boscombe Down one day and forgotten while on vectors for 09L/R (in my day)
There was always the case of the BAC 1-11 (VY?) which always got priority after it was left pointing towards Boscombe Down one day and forgotten while on vectors for 09L/R (in my day)
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RRR,
You suggest that you went into the LAM hold for 15 minutes whilst someone else got vectors for a straight in. Highly unlikely unless the other aircraft has a problem and has requested a priority approach which does happen occasionally. you may not have been aware that an aircraft had an issue as it may well have been on a different frequency to yours.
The workload increases significantly if we don't handle the traffic in pretty much the way it is presented to us from adjoining units. The sector which handles traffic into LAM from the east is adjoined by 9 other sectors/units so the chances of us doing anything that resembles preference is well nigh impossible.
You say your departure was on a DVR. IIRC there is a requirement for 3 minutes between DVR departures. So if the one ahead of you at the full length was also a DVR then it would make sense to use the intersections to get 2 away on different SIDs. I'm sure you are aware but this is known as maximising the runway capacity.
I don't actually undertsand what you are talking about when you talk about 220 and Maastricht as their airspace doesn't start until above FL245.
I hope this helps to alleviate your fears that we are anything but fair to all airspace users.
You suggest that you went into the LAM hold for 15 minutes whilst someone else got vectors for a straight in. Highly unlikely unless the other aircraft has a problem and has requested a priority approach which does happen occasionally. you may not have been aware that an aircraft had an issue as it may well have been on a different frequency to yours.
The workload increases significantly if we don't handle the traffic in pretty much the way it is presented to us from adjoining units. The sector which handles traffic into LAM from the east is adjoined by 9 other sectors/units so the chances of us doing anything that resembles preference is well nigh impossible.
You say your departure was on a DVR. IIRC there is a requirement for 3 minutes between DVR departures. So if the one ahead of you at the full length was also a DVR then it would make sense to use the intersections to get 2 away on different SIDs. I'm sure you are aware but this is known as maximising the runway capacity.
I don't actually undertsand what you are talking about when you talk about 220 and Maastricht as their airspace doesn't start until above FL245.
I hope this helps to alleviate your fears that we are anything but fair to all airspace users.
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<<Maintain minimum clean speed and join the lamborne hold at 6000(!)>>
It's the Lambourne hold actually. When did you last join it at 6000 ft? Yet again you have displayed your total ignorance of UK airspace.
It's the Lambourne hold actually. When did you last join it at 6000 ft? Yet again you have displayed your total ignorance of UK airspace.
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LHR is one of the easiest airports in the world to fly into. Plan for one or two turns over LAM, some vectors, and you are done. While you are in the hold you can normally view other aircraft holding as well, including BA.
Wingtip clearance is not assured? Are you a cadet or something? That has been on the ATIS since my first flight there, some 25 years ago.
Wingtip clearance is not assured? Are you a cadet or something? That has been on the ATIS since my first flight there, some 25 years ago.
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Retard...
My standard day is... 30 mins taxy out, held low on departure (worst SID is DVR...due to the OCK/BIG holds) 15 mins hold on arrival, with a long S pattern to final.
You being shafted? - nope you are being treated the same as everybody else.
On taxy out, the TWR controller is shifting everybody around trying to achieve the max departure rate as possible. Bunching heavies together is normal, as is trying to achieve the ideal flow of northbound vs southbound departures. Sometimes you win, sometimes not-all for the max efficiency! After a while you can almost guess what will happen next, but you have to appreciate where everybody is going, hence what SID they are on.
And if you get called a troll when you are unwilling to listen, so be it!
My standard day is... 30 mins taxy out, held low on departure (worst SID is DVR...due to the OCK/BIG holds) 15 mins hold on arrival, with a long S pattern to final.
You being shafted? - nope you are being treated the same as everybody else.
On taxy out, the TWR controller is shifting everybody around trying to achieve the max departure rate as possible. Bunching heavies together is normal, as is trying to achieve the ideal flow of northbound vs southbound departures. Sometimes you win, sometimes not-all for the max efficiency! After a while you can almost guess what will happen next, but you have to appreciate where everybody is going, hence what SID they are on.
And if you get called a troll when you are unwilling to listen, so be it!
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Manada spot on!
I've been operating to LHR for the latest 20 years and this is probably the more professional ATC is the world, hands down.
I'm surprised with the garbage here! This "Retard...." is a 3 times retarded!
Hi mods, let's have a better usage of the bits here.
I'm surprised with the garbage here! This "Retard...." is a 3 times retarded!
Hi mods, let's have a better usage of the bits here.
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Anyone who flies in /out of LHR on a semi-regular basis knows that you are amazed when you DON'T have to hold (BA or not) - ATC have to juggle heavy's and lights, they also have to keep an eye on trafic needing to cross runways on the ground to & from the terminals so the whole of the airport isn't one enormous parking lot
It's not an easy job but I think they get it right most of the time TBH
It's not an easy job but I think they get it right most of the time TBH
I would never go that far and call London's ATC "the best of the world"! There is no "best of the world". I would place them into the category "among the best of the world". Don't forget busy airports and airspaces with excellent ATC like Frankfurt, Munich, Zurich, Geneva, Copenhagen, Amsterdam etc.. They are all in the same group as London/UK. And, Retard, possibly you have been put at the end of the queue because of your limited command of the English language (to protect other pilots/planes) or, you just thought that you were put at the end of the queue, because you did not understand it better. After all I do not believe that you are a real airline pilot.
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Well I'm with the Retarded one on this.
Don't these Atcos realise the work involved in reaching up to the glareshield and winding back the speed? Are they not aware of how exhausting it is pressing a couple of buttons on the box to execute the LAM hold?
As to having to sit at the hold for a few minutes while some toffy nosed Nigel jumps the sequence from an intersection- It's akin to six years in a Siberian gulag !
Don't these Atcos realise the work involved in reaching up to the glareshield and winding back the speed? Are they not aware of how exhausting it is pressing a couple of buttons on the box to execute the LAM hold?
As to having to sit at the hold for a few minutes while some toffy nosed Nigel jumps the sequence from an intersection- It's akin to six years in a Siberian gulag !
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to EatMyShorts!
"......And, Retard, possibly you have been put at the end of the queue because of your limited command of the English language (to protect other pilots/planes) or, you just thought that you were put at the end of the queue, because you did not understand it better. After all I do not believe that you are a real airline pilot."
PARFAIT!
PARFAIT!
