EK time to upgrade
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@Mr. White;
Purely based on seniority. Like many other gents have indicated, there are p-l-e-n-t-y EK FO's with previous command time, including heavy command time. I personally have friends who were previous 747 skippers and 767 skippers that are FO's at Emirates. Each and every one waits for his command based on seniority. End of story.
once I would get the 3 years, 2500 hrs on EK aicraft and type....... My upgrade would be on señority? Or my 4000 hrs PIC on 767 would give me any advance on the upgrade list?
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I think you might want to look at it from a different perspective.
Aside from an illusive command in 5-10 years, what else will make me want to move to the Gulf. If nothing or you dont know yet, when do some research.
A lot of well meaning people can tell you what has happened in the past. That all one has to go by.
If your wife will be happy here and your kids thrive, then look at the big picture and come down.
If you are in a secure semi job in your home country close to family and friends, then think long and hard.
I have been here 10+ years and still happy.
Aside from an illusive command in 5-10 years, what else will make me want to move to the Gulf. If nothing or you dont know yet, when do some research.
A lot of well meaning people can tell you what has happened in the past. That all one has to go by.
If your wife will be happy here and your kids thrive, then look at the big picture and come down.
If you are in a secure semi job in your home country close to family and friends, then think long and hard.
I have been here 10+ years and still happy.
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Keep in mind if you do hold off for a DEC position there is a good chance of you struggling or even failing. 3 Ryan Air pilots (I paid for my type rating) just failed mainly because of their background. One left the company and two are now FOs and still trying to hang on. One pilot never took out a chart.
Amazing what EK is now hiring. Can't we get any qualified widebody captains to take the jobs that our FOs aspire to?
Amazing what EK is now hiring. Can't we get any qualified widebody captains to take the jobs that our FOs aspire to?
All the FOs in EK now knew about DECs when they joined Swan Man. You (they), knew that other FOs had been shafted command wise but yet you (they) still chose to join. So man up and accept your decision.
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don,
I don't see anywhere in Swan Man's post that he actually states that he was disadvantaged by EK's awesome policies. Still, that doesn't prevent you from offering advice you have no authority to give, re: manning up. Knowing about something does not require agreeing with it or even liking it. And I'm pretty sure, prevailing mentality aside, that people are still allowed to have an opinion. DEC's suck. They're a reality. But they still suck. And the timing was such I wasn't held back by them either. It's still my opinion, when I can find the energy to give a sh$t. Probably because I can't quite see what a Ryanair 37 captain brings to the table that any EK FO with some time in the operation doesn't. But hey, insert a giant shrug and WHATEVER here.
Then there's A380 guy, trying his pathetic best to bait. I WISH it was easier for guys to get 777 commands. Then maybe I wouldn't have to work so damn much.
But I realized awhile ago A380-Guy's entire raison d'existence on PPRune is to further the stereotype of Australians as annoying know-it-alls with zero to contribute to a discussion, and make sure that that popular characterization never goes away. In which case, I have to admit he does a brilliant job.
I don't see anywhere in Swan Man's post that he actually states that he was disadvantaged by EK's awesome policies. Still, that doesn't prevent you from offering advice you have no authority to give, re: manning up. Knowing about something does not require agreeing with it or even liking it. And I'm pretty sure, prevailing mentality aside, that people are still allowed to have an opinion. DEC's suck. They're a reality. But they still suck. And the timing was such I wasn't held back by them either. It's still my opinion, when I can find the energy to give a sh$t. Probably because I can't quite see what a Ryanair 37 captain brings to the table that any EK FO with some time in the operation doesn't. But hey, insert a giant shrug and WHATEVER here.
Then there's A380 guy, trying his pathetic best to bait. I WISH it was easier for guys to get 777 commands. Then maybe I wouldn't have to work so damn much.
But I realized awhile ago A380-Guy's entire raison d'existence on PPRune is to further the stereotype of Australians as annoying know-it-alls with zero to contribute to a discussion, and make sure that that popular characterization never goes away. In which case, I have to admit he does a brilliant job.
Limit,
Fair cop. But, just the same way I don't think its right to name and shame FOs who have not passed upgrade, I think the same respect should be shown to those who don't make it through the DEC thing.
The Don
Fair cop. But, just the same way I don't think its right to name and shame FOs who have not passed upgrade, I think the same respect should be shown to those who don't make it through the DEC thing.
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Is there a published seniority list for EK. I was wondering if someone would PM me a copy of it if that is possible. Trying to look up a few college friends whom I've lost touch with. Thanks!
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How is possible that a guy that never took a chart out get in LHS at EK? Whats going on, people should not waste this kind of opportunity.
How is possible that a guy that never took a chart out get in LHS at EK? Whats going on, people should not waste this kind of opportunity.
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All the FOs in EK now knew about DECs when they joined
Secondly, the requirements for DEC as per the OM-A were what, 10000h total and 3000h PIC wide body?!
In all fairness, most of us then, at least me personally would not have cut it as a DEC but you must understand that dropping the requirements to were they are now, allowing the very same people that used to be our first officers back in Europe to join as DECs will, in lack of better words, disappoint a number of us.
So please, we will bide our time but in the meanwhile, don't piz us off!
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Eric, I think what Don meant was that all the F/Os who have joined since about 2004 have known that Emirates had taken DECs in the recent past and were highly likely to do so again if they needed to. A very small amount of research would also have revealed that the company requirements for DECs, upgrade, change of fleet or whatever are extremely flexible.
I understand your frustration and I think almost everybody at Emirates has been disadvantaged by some rule change or other in the past but that is the nature of the company we work for. If you can't accept that you are truly in the wrong part of the world.
I understand your frustration and I think almost everybody at Emirates has been disadvantaged by some rule change or other in the past but that is the nature of the company we work for. If you can't accept that you are truly in the wrong part of the world.
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Originally Posted by dropp the pilot
is that because it saves the effort of replacing them when the flight goes tech?
And as 380 flyer - only one tech delay in over six months... Give it a break dippo!!!!
Yes you did Eric. There was a lot of information around for you to work out what was happening. And the Rumour buster didn't really lie did it, as it was another 3 years until they took DECs again.
Just take a look at this forum during the recent DEC hiring. One thread about DEC hiring and how FOs are being shafted, and another thread by wannabes saying that they feel bad because their start dates are sliding because of DECs. These same wannabes will be on here in a few years saying that they are being shafted because there are no upgrades due to DECs and saying its not their fault because they didn't know.
Tell me Eric, if you feel bad because some DEC has taken your command, is it ok for a more senior FO on the Bus to feel bad for a junior FO on the Boeing to be upgraded years before him? Is this any different?
The Don
Just take a look at this forum during the recent DEC hiring. One thread about DEC hiring and how FOs are being shafted, and another thread by wannabes saying that they feel bad because their start dates are sliding because of DECs. These same wannabes will be on here in a few years saying that they are being shafted because there are no upgrades due to DECs and saying its not their fault because they didn't know.
Tell me Eric, if you feel bad because some DEC has taken your command, is it ok for a more senior FO on the Bus to feel bad for a junior FO on the Boeing to be upgraded years before him? Is this any different?
The Don