How long will EK DEC program continue
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It is quite easy to see who the best airlines in the world are. We can look at the hourly wage, days off and T&C of the world's airlines. Your answer may vary but it will probably be the same 10 airlines in the Top 10 but a different order. By any account of the 3 items listed above EK will not be in most pilots Top 10. That is if we look at the hard facts. We haven't even touched on living in Dubai and how expensive it is. Plus the fact the Emirates hires DECs which greatly detracts from the long term prospectives of any pilot not to mention surpresses wages at the airline.
If pilots here think EK is the best job in the world they need some serious help or they have been dipping into their wives "Happy Pills" again.
And how many LH or BA pilots are here Fatty? 3 or 5.
Keep brewing wings. Isn't there a stewedress section of pprune
If pilots here think EK is the best job in the world they need some serious help or they have been dipping into their wives "Happy Pills" again.
And how many LH or BA pilots are here Fatty? 3 or 5.
Keep brewing wings. Isn't there a stewedress section of pprune
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Swn Man... you ARE an ugly duckling! 
As someone else was trying to explain. Some people like it. Others dont. It cannot be decided which is the best airline to work for.
Find one that suits your personality and be happy...
As someone else was trying to explain. Some people like it. Others dont. It cannot be decided which is the best airline to work for.
Find one that suits your personality and be happy...
Isn't there a stewedress section of pprune
Yes there is, you might find it more suited to yourself since you demonstrate the CRM skills of an ab initio GR2.
Wait, that's an insult to GR2s....
Yet another example of snobbery toward someone based on their job. I wasn't always cabin crew, and neither were most of my colleagues. Some of them are even smarter than you (PhD in physics, on one of my recent flights)
FYI, the ME forums is for ALL expats flying in the sandpit, not just pilots. Get over yourself.
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Any reasonable human being would be ashamed of themselves for writing that. I don't care what you think of your job...and there are others available out there...to belittle someone else in such a way actually makes me embarrassed to hold the same licence as you.
A proper 60's mentality. I hope wings has the good fortune to be the one to make your next coffee.
Any reasonable human being would be ashamed of themselves for writing that. I don't care what you think of your job...and there are others available out there...to belittle someone else in such a way actually makes me embarrassed to hold the same licence as you.
A proper 60's mentality. I hope wings has the good fortune to be the one to make your next coffee.
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Just ignore Swan Man and rise above his childish insults. He's probably divorced because his wife is sick and tired of his constant moaning and he's a complete old woman when it comes to operating in 'his' flight deck. You know the sort, the type that demand the fancy coffees and pillows before you've even had a chance to introduce yourself. Like others here, his lack of courtesy and respect to fellow aviators is rather telling of him as an individual. This is a public forum. You post here as much as you want!
Swan Man
If it bothers you so much about our fellow cabin crew joining the debate, may I recommend you sign up for the dedicated EK pilot group. You will be required to validate your identity to a moderator. Those with nothing constructive to offer often hide behind the cloak of anonymity so I shall not hold my breath on that one.
Harry
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My wife would like to know how you know me so well without ever having met me? Quote; "small dicked imbecile". She's asked that you PM her with your predictions for this weeks Euro Lottery. When we win, not only will I get a penis enlargement, I'll also pay to have your large appendage removed from your forehead!
Just ignore Swan Man and rise above his childish insults. He's probably divorced because his wife is sick and tired of his constant moaning and he's a complete old woman when it comes to operating in 'his' flight deck. You know the sort, the type that demand the fancy coffees and pillows before you've even had a chance to introduce yourself. Like others here, his lack of courtesy and respect to fellow aviators is rather telling of him as an individual. This is a public forum. You post here as much as you want!
Swan Man
If it bothers you so much about our fellow cabin crew joining the debate, may I recommend you sign up for the dedicated EK pilot group. You will be required to validate your identity to a moderator. Those with nothing constructive to offer often hide behind the cloak of anonymity so I shall not hold my breath on that one.
Harry
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My wife would like to know how you know me so well without ever having met me? Quote; "small dicked imbecile". She's asked that you PM her with your predictions for this weeks Euro Lottery. When we win, not only will I get a penis enlargement, I'll also pay to have your large appendage removed from your forehead!
Don't worry, I realise that the outdated views of Swanny are in the minority in our flight decks. Thank goodness. And luckily most of you realise it's a bad idea to mess with the people serving you food.... 
(Joke! Before you run off dobbing to fleet... )
Had I listened to all the moaners on the cc forum I would never have made the move out here, and I would have missed out on some of the best times of my life! Crap, not crap, our experiences make us who we are in the end, who are we to deny that to someone else? By all means give the facts and your opinion, but don't get the two confused. Then everyone can make up their own mind...
I intend to continue posting where I feel inclined, as you guys have said it's a public forum, and I thought you might like to know that as an interested observer some of the posters here come across as all-knowing all-mighty and really need to take a good look at themselves before bagging out someone else's choice to be happy.
gmw... bringing the coffee, staying for the flying talk
(Joke! Before you run off dobbing to fleet... )Had I listened to all the moaners on the cc forum I would never have made the move out here, and I would have missed out on some of the best times of my life! Crap, not crap, our experiences make us who we are in the end, who are we to deny that to someone else? By all means give the facts and your opinion, but don't get the two confused. Then everyone can make up their own mind...
I intend to continue posting where I feel inclined, as you guys have said it's a public forum, and I thought you might like to know that as an interested observer some of the posters here come across as all-knowing all-mighty and really need to take a good look at themselves before bagging out someone else's choice to be happy.
gmw... bringing the coffee, staying for the flying talk
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With all the pilots that EK has fired over the years you probably could nail it down to 25 or so pilots that have got the heave how.
Wow there are a lot of people that think EK is good and not just pilots. A PHD cabin crewing for Emirates? Now that is a serious case of over qualified job description. What a waste of time and money spent studying to get your PHD.
Wow there are a lot of people that think EK is good and not just pilots. A PHD cabin crewing for Emirates? Now that is a serious case of over qualified job description. What a waste of time and money spent studying to get your PHD.
She wanted a few years off to enjoy life before being chained to a desk. You'll find quite a large percentage of the cabin are overqualified on paper for what they do... we've got lawyers, doctors, EMT, civil engineers, architects. Those of you who thin kwe just bring the coffee might like to ask what we did prior, next time... we've got some interesting people working with us... not just you lot with all the good stories
back to DECs...
back to DECs...
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FYI i think no one would argue being a top guy at BA or AC or AA or FED ex would be great, maybe the best job in the world. Guess what, it takes 25 years to get there and the TC are changing in all these places as well. The golden days are over. So hard fact is working in EK or a similar outfit is usually a much faster way to make decent money and fly big metal. Its like comparing apples to oranges! For instance u join Flag carrier in US/Canada take MIN 12-15 years to make capt on A320. u join Ek or EY u make command within 5 or so years the whole time making command salaries(tax taken into account) back home. So yeah EK aint the greatest but we all didn't get hired at 21 at BA!!!!
Also FYI many EK and other guys in middle east could easily go back and get a job at those airlines. The difference is TIMING!!!! when they would of jumped at the opportunity they did not get interview due to economic environment and airlines were not hiring. So they went off and forwarded their own careers and probably had a family. Now it would be a massive hit with a few kids to go home and sit in RHS for less money. BTW speaking form personal experience! I find it amusing how people don't realize that most of what happens in our careers is a combination of luck and timing!
FYI i think no one would argue being a top guy at BA or AC or AA or FED ex would be great, maybe the best job in the world. Guess what, it takes 25 years to get there and the TC are changing in all these places as well. The golden days are over. So hard fact is working in EK or a similar outfit is usually a much faster way to make decent money and fly big metal. Its like comparing apples to oranges! For instance u join Flag carrier in US/Canada take MIN 12-15 years to make capt on A320. u join Ek or EY u make command within 5 or so years the whole time making command salaries(tax taken into account) back home. So yeah EK aint the greatest but we all didn't get hired at 21 at BA!!!!
Also FYI many EK and other guys in middle east could easily go back and get a job at those airlines. The difference is TIMING!!!! when they would of jumped at the opportunity they did not get interview due to economic environment and airlines were not hiring. So they went off and forwarded their own careers and probably had a family. Now it would be a massive hit with a few kids to go home and sit in RHS for less money. BTW speaking form personal experience! I find it amusing how people don't realize that most of what happens in our careers is a combination of luck and timing!
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The same guys slagging off EK with the typical "... You're all drinking kool-aid.." argument have never provided the links to airlines that are hiring and are better than here.
So let's have it...where should we go? And why are you still here?
f.
So let's have it...where should we go? And why are you still here?
f.
Yes, but LHR you have to admit it becomes a bit tiresome when anonymous folk continually whine about how everyone else in the company is crap for staying in EK or wanting to join EK, when they themselves work for EK. I am not sure how the differentiate themselves from everyone else.
If Swanman thought it was ok to join EK even though FOs were being shafted by DECs at the time, he has no recourse to bitch about it now. He joining knowing this happens is part of the problem. He speaks of top ten airlines etc etc but he would no doubt have taken a quicker command on the Boeing before more senior FOs on the Bus and thought nothing about it.
It would appear he can not take responsibility for his decision to join EK, and now that the big shiny jet syndrome has worn off he needs to vent at and blame others. I do wonder why his previous company (a top tenner for sure) let him go.
The Don
If Swanman thought it was ok to join EK even though FOs were being shafted by DECs at the time, he has no recourse to bitch about it now. He joining knowing this happens is part of the problem. He speaks of top ten airlines etc etc but he would no doubt have taken a quicker command on the Boeing before more senior FOs on the Bus and thought nothing about it.
It would appear he can not take responsibility for his decision to join EK, and now that the big shiny jet syndrome has worn off he needs to vent at and blame others. I do wonder why his previous company (a top tenner for sure) let him go.
The Don
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LHR - you articulate my point beautifully.
Instead of naming any airlines (forget the links!) - you use profanity and insult the poster.
So SIMPLY tell us about these airlines.
f.
PS in wash-up they told us 48 former EK pilots applied for DEC, twelve will be taken.
Instead of naming any airlines (forget the links!) - you use profanity and insult the poster.
So SIMPLY tell us about these airlines.
f.
PS in wash-up they told us 48 former EK pilots applied for DEC, twelve will be taken.
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Bahhhh humbug, my little girl managed a whole sentence in french today, you guys rich in metaphor and spittle really do need to get some perspective
Its EK's trainset, they operate in an environment that suits their MO, end of story.
Its EK's trainset, they operate in an environment that suits their MO, end of story.
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We still are not discussing that Emirates is the best airline in the world arguement are we?
Why is EK having trouble recruiting pilots if it is the best? Fed Ex opened its application window for 2 weeks and got over 10,000 applications, I don't know how many were qualifed but they do have mins.
We struggle to fill classes from pilots far less qualified then even 4 yrs ago and even overfill the classes because too many fail the course or drop-out or no-show. Hence the "reason" from the company for the dreaded DECs. By the way I think this is the 3rd or 4th time since I have been with the company that the company has put in writing or said in Wash-ups that they were not ever hiring DECs again and then very soon after the memo started hiring DECs.
Most pilots agree that being on the top at BA, AC, LH, or AF you don't look up at too many other airlines. If you come from Mesa, British Charters, LCCs in Europe, or other regionals EK is superb.
Why is EK having trouble recruiting pilots if it is the best? Fed Ex opened its application window for 2 weeks and got over 10,000 applications, I don't know how many were qualifed but they do have mins.
We struggle to fill classes from pilots far less qualified then even 4 yrs ago and even overfill the classes because too many fail the course or drop-out or no-show. Hence the "reason" from the company for the dreaded DECs. By the way I think this is the 3rd or 4th time since I have been with the company that the company has put in writing or said in Wash-ups that they were not ever hiring DECs again and then very soon after the memo started hiring DECs.
Most pilots agree that being on the top at BA, AC, LH, or AF you don't look up at too many other airlines. If you come from Mesa, British Charters, LCCs in Europe, or other regionals EK is superb.
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Sorry to hear they don't want you. Was it a good airline? Can you not apply to many of the other US airlines that are recruiting right now?
I Know how you must feel. I often miss my old airline with it's never ending night turnrounds and unstable rosters. The staff travel with cramped 29" seat pitch is but a distant dream as is the plastic food in plastic containers eaten with plastic cutlery. The bonus too, missed so much that in 11 years I missed it altogether! And the 45 minute drive to and from work, especially in rush hour. The 5 minute walk in the pissing rain from the car park to a bus, then the warm comfort of a tiny crew room with the same miserable old faces of people doing the same destinations day in, day out. The manual loadsheets and own refueling then do it all the next day.... and the next. At least the suitcase, which I bought myself, stayed looking new.
I did some sums last night. It's vulgar to discuss money, especially on a public forum, but for the benefit of people like you, my reason for being here is clear. So, before the 'keep drinking the cool aid' brigade start, maybe you should visit the website reversetax.com. I'm not going to go into all the details as personal circumstances will differ, but to achieve the same package back home that I get here, I'd need to pull 289K before tax. That's pound sterling my friend, not dollars. I'm a TRI AO, ten years in EK, with children and I live out. I didn't include meal allowances and Company provident fund contributions. The latter has just increased to 15%.
Give it a try. You might be glad your home airline doesn't want you after all!
Harry
Sorry to hear they don't want you. Was it a good airline? Can you not apply to many of the other US airlines that are recruiting right now?
I Know how you must feel. I often miss my old airline with it's never ending night turnrounds and unstable rosters. The staff travel with cramped 29" seat pitch is but a distant dream as is the plastic food in plastic containers eaten with plastic cutlery. The bonus too, missed so much that in 11 years I missed it altogether! And the 45 minute drive to and from work, especially in rush hour. The 5 minute walk in the pissing rain from the car park to a bus, then the warm comfort of a tiny crew room with the same miserable old faces of people doing the same destinations day in, day out. The manual loadsheets and own refueling then do it all the next day.... and the next. At least the suitcase, which I bought myself, stayed looking new.
I did some sums last night. It's vulgar to discuss money, especially on a public forum, but for the benefit of people like you, my reason for being here is clear. So, before the 'keep drinking the cool aid' brigade start, maybe you should visit the website reversetax.com. I'm not going to go into all the details as personal circumstances will differ, but to achieve the same package back home that I get here, I'd need to pull 289K before tax. That's pound sterling my friend, not dollars. I'm a TRI AO, ten years in EK, with children and I live out. I didn't include meal allowances and Company provident fund contributions. The latter has just increased to 15%.
Give it a try. You might be glad your home airline doesn't want you after all!
Harry
