How long will EK DEC program continue
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EK hired DEC's since 1985 and will continue to do so, they just change the requirements from time to time, they lower them usually, now you dont't even any widebody experience anymore.
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God, you'd be surprised to know that pilots other than emirates SFOs , can actually fly your aircraft types, and quite possibly manage to convert to your routes.
DECs stealing the commands you so seem to think you deserve ? Tough sh.. This industry is a nightmare and the accounts don't give a toss about your career dreams.
DECs stealing the commands you so seem to think you deserve ? Tough sh.. This industry is a nightmare and the accounts don't give a toss about your career dreams.
Leave it alone fade. All FOs at EK joined knowing about DECs slowing commands and thought it ok. Doesn't mean they would enjoy flying with a bore like you though.
Luckily recruiting does a pretty good job of preventing that from happening.
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Luckily recruiting does a pretty good job of preventing that from happening.
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Upgrade policy
I've been following this thread, and I'm curious as to what the upgrade policy is. It seems as if it is somewhat hit or miss. Is there any trigger that qualifies an fo for an upgrade? And if so, is there a pool that they are drawn from. Thanks guys....
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The DEC program has seen the light of day. They have made their numbers.....whatever they were.
Now it's a matter of how politely (or otherwise) the 'other' candidates are told goodbye. But goodbye it will be.
Just my take....
Now it's a matter of how politely (or otherwise) the 'other' candidates are told goodbye. But goodbye it will be.
Just my take....
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@ A 380 jockey:
Why do you think would they still invite candidates if they had enough? They pay for the flights, the hotel and the meals and so on... If nobody is needed they could easily save all the costs by just telling the candidates to stay home. So far i haven`t heard of interviews being cancelled.
Why do you think would they still invite candidates if they had enough? They pay for the flights, the hotel and the meals and so on... If nobody is needed they could easily save all the costs by just telling the candidates to stay home. So far i haven`t heard of interviews being cancelled.
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We need them because we are at the bottom of the "qualified FO list", according to the OM-A criteria. So either hire DECs or change the criteria. With the failure rate of the command candidates these days, I can understand why the went with DECs. I just hope the ones that come are ex EK or very qualified long haul commanders and not B737/A320 pilots looks for a big jet - although I dont blame them.
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Drums,
Its not as if they WANT to invite and fail. It's the ones that they have already invited and now don't want since they've reduced or met their numbers that i'm talking about. And once they've met their numbers, it doesn't matter how qualified you are or how well you perform.
They'll find a reason to get rid of you. That was my point.
Its not as if they WANT to invite and fail. It's the ones that they have already invited and now don't want since they've reduced or met their numbers that i'm talking about. And once they've met their numbers, it doesn't matter how qualified you are or how well you perform.
They'll find a reason to get rid of you. That was my point.
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Hello all,
Interesting thread...Not surprised that the ministry of disinformation is gearing up, no one likes to see people coming in to take a position that most would rightfully feel is theirs. That said, as I understand it, the DEC's are either retreads, or highly experienced wide and narrow body Captains. Moreover, they are almost entirely made up of TRE's. This is to plug a gap in the ranks following a period of quiet in recruiting. Like it or ( more probably ) not, these bods were probably Captains before some of the existing EK F/O's had their first trial lesson.
Sorry to disappoint the doom mongers, but the DEC process is still very much in motion with a group about to recieve DXB tickets to the last stage of the process following a sim assessment in the UK. I can assure you that they are not being given a free trip to Dubai for nowt. Most know each other and have assurances from the highest level, that its more about please would you join us, than would we like you to join us. Dont forget to smile when you see them, you might find yourself sitting in front of them in the sim sooner than you think.
Interesting thread...Not surprised that the ministry of disinformation is gearing up, no one likes to see people coming in to take a position that most would rightfully feel is theirs. That said, as I understand it, the DEC's are either retreads, or highly experienced wide and narrow body Captains. Moreover, they are almost entirely made up of TRE's. This is to plug a gap in the ranks following a period of quiet in recruiting. Like it or ( more probably ) not, these bods were probably Captains before some of the existing EK F/O's had their first trial lesson.
Sorry to disappoint the doom mongers, but the DEC process is still very much in motion with a group about to recieve DXB tickets to the last stage of the process following a sim assessment in the UK. I can assure you that they are not being given a free trip to Dubai for nowt. Most know each other and have assurances from the highest level, that its more about please would you join us, than would we like you to join us. Dont forget to smile when you see them, you might find yourself sitting in front of them in the sim sooner than you think.
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BS you might be stretching things a bit with "would you please come to Dubai". Yes they do have a lot of experience but they still have to pass the assessment. Last I heard is they will have to do the full NAC course and if not successful there is no job. After that then there is the entire Emirates instructor course. BTW it looks like a previous 330 trainer is coming back as a 777 DEC, what's with that. If they bring attitude, well, look out!
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I believe B777 was how HR meant to spell A330 on his contract. I believe it has been fixed and he is in fact returning to the bus.
Interesting to see the attitude of some of the wannabes. Also interesting to note not one Dec applicant shared any info of the process on this site. Is it only FOs that try and help each other?
I wonder why these experienced chaps would be jumping to join on a EK year one captain pay, when higher starting paying jobs are out there. Maybe its a large watch thing? Or is it yet more Thomas cook guys? I wonder how that happened?
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I believe B777 was how HR meant to spell A330 on his contract. I believe it has been fixed and he is in fact returning to the bus.
Interesting to see the attitude of some of the wannabes. Also interesting to note not one Dec applicant shared any info of the process on this site. Is it only FOs that try and help each other?
I wonder why these experienced chaps would be jumping to join on a EK year one captain pay, when higher starting paying jobs are out there. Maybe its a large watch thing? Or is it yet more Thomas cook guys? I wonder how that happened?
The Don
Depends where they came from,when they joined, and how the constantly changing Upgrade Policies affected them . Some have well in excess of 12k, others-who are the new hires under the reduced requirements-have just over 2.5k. Have one friend with over 16k and 5 years who can't Upgrade due to the fleet he was put on and with the current Upgrade rules/Type Freeze is still at least 2 years away from an Upgrade Course. Bottom line-there is extensive experience in the FO ranks, but if you are on the 'wrong fleet'...welcome to the Middle East.
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By wrong fleet I gather you mean 777 when referring to upgrades. Over 100 now and the fleet plan is 160, meaning he who is hired now needs 200 ( not in the plan ) to upgrade. AB ( 330+ 380 ) is at @60 now and planned 90 380 and 70 350 ( don't think the 359 is going to come ) . Looks better on the bus for upgrades long term and for those joining now there is not an AC to upgrade on IE 160 in fleet now going to 280 by 2020 please do the math , don't come for a "quick upgrade" and bitch about all the time. Just enjoy the job, if you can.