EK Pay Review
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@ Eric Carr,
I would NEVER have thought that SQ lost even one pilot to EK. This is news to me. Unless it is an expat looking for permanency. But even then...
I would NEVER have thought that SQ lost even one pilot to EK. This is news to me. Unless it is an expat looking for permanency. But even then...
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Have you seen the new Delta pay rates proposed by the company? Puts EK to shame.
B-777 12 yr captain would make almost $270 an hour! Yes you read that right. Plus you know it will go higher because that is what the company is proposing. The Delta boys will undoubtedly ask and get more money having something to do with Big Balls but most Emirates pilots probably would not understand that concept.
You can bet your bottom dollar that they won't have to fly 95 hours a month either.
This is the beginning of the so called pilot shortage. If we as pilots can stick to our guns we can demand what we are deserved. Let's stick it to them.
B-777 12 yr captain would make almost $270 an hour! Yes you read that right. Plus you know it will go higher because that is what the company is proposing. The Delta boys will undoubtedly ask and get more money having something to do with Big Balls but most Emirates pilots probably would not understand that concept.
You can bet your bottom dollar that they won't have to fly 95 hours a month either.
This is the beginning of the so called pilot shortage. If we as pilots can stick to our guns we can demand what we are deserved. Let's stick it to them.
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AC, be careful what you wish for. 
$270 an hour? For a 12 year 777 Captain? I hope EK don't stoop that low.
900 hours per year = $243,000 less $64,718 tax = $178,282 (from the US gov tax site)
$178,282 per year = 54,525 Dhs per month.
It has been well pointed out in this thread that a 12 year captain here on 900 hours will earn significantly more.
If $270 an hour is not the end of the remuneration story then feel free to fix my numbers. I'm not suggesting I wouldn't have liked a pay rise, I am just sick of hearing sensationalist bull$hit about how fantastic everyone else is being paid.
$270 an hour? For a 12 year 777 Captain? I hope EK don't stoop that low.
900 hours per year = $243,000 less $64,718 tax = $178,282 (from the US gov tax site)
$178,282 per year = 54,525 Dhs per month.
It has been well pointed out in this thread that a 12 year captain here on 900 hours will earn significantly more.
If $270 an hour is not the end of the remuneration story then feel free to fix my numbers. I'm not suggesting I wouldn't have liked a pay rise, I am just sick of hearing sensationalist bull$hit about how fantastic everyone else is being paid.
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Let's see what the Boys sign for Visual.
Don't forget the Boys that carry theirs' around in wheel barrows only fly about 800 hours a year and work 8-12 days a month MAX. Their quality of life is leaps and bounds better than ours. I know I have worked at both places.
While we work 15-18 days, don't get credit for the bunk (some of us go well over 900 hours a year), through the night etc etc they enjoy their jobs.
They also have in their contracts concepts practically no one at EK has even heard of much less experienced. Green Slips, Trip Credit, Duty Regs, Min Day and on and on. That means they can work less and boost their hourly rate, something that is sorely lacking here in the sand.
I know we will never achieve that here mainly because pilots here think EK is a good job and won't push for what is theirs.
Oh yeah before you Kool-Aid drinkers start Delta made over $450 million last year.
Don't forget the Boys that carry theirs' around in wheel barrows only fly about 800 hours a year and work 8-12 days a month MAX. Their quality of life is leaps and bounds better than ours. I know I have worked at both places.
While we work 15-18 days, don't get credit for the bunk (some of us go well over 900 hours a year), through the night etc etc they enjoy their jobs.
They also have in their contracts concepts practically no one at EK has even heard of much less experienced. Green Slips, Trip Credit, Duty Regs, Min Day and on and on. That means they can work less and boost their hourly rate, something that is sorely lacking here in the sand.
I know we will never achieve that here mainly because pilots here think EK is a good job and won't push for what is theirs.
Oh yeah before you Kool-Aid drinkers start Delta made over $450 million last year.
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Originally Posted by alconguin crusader
They also have in their contracts concepts practically no one at EK has even heard of much less experienced. Green Slips, Trip Credit, Duty Regs, Min Day and on and on. That means they can work less and boost their hourly rate, something that is sorely lacking here in the sand.
I know we will never achieve that here mainly because pilots here think EK is a good job and won't push for what is theirs.
I know we will never achieve that here mainly because pilots here think EK is a good job and won't push for what is theirs.
Have you not learnt that 'pushing for what is ours' in the Middle East is not quite the same as back Stateside? You need to pick your battles here! Simple as that. Some we win, some we lose, but the company is not going to give us a pay-rise because you think it should!
I don't see many picket lines in EGHQ
PS. What is a 'green slip'? Must be some yankee thing
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Kinda makes ya'all wonder why so many Delta boys came to the sandpit if life was so good. And what was your glorious background AC?
As for big balls, don't suppose you've had the time to write to JA or AS with your grievance yet? Or are you just too busy slogging through those 900 hours. Wonder why you put up with it really!
As for big balls, don't suppose you've had the time to write to JA or AS with your grievance yet? Or are you just too busy slogging through those 900 hours. Wonder why you put up with it really!
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No wonder there are underpaid Delta refugees at Emirates. I typed my gross from my EK payslip into a US tax calculator which informs me I will need to make $442,000 annually in the US to come out even. When I find the Delta man making that amount and we compare our slips I will ask him:
-what he pays for life insurance
-what he pays for medical insurance
-what he pays for loss of license insurance
-what model of car he is driven to work in
-what his annual bill is for the private education of his children
-what he pays for life insurance
-what he pays for medical insurance
-what he pays for loss of license insurance
-what model of car he is driven to work in
-what his annual bill is for the private education of his children
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Green Slip is when you pick up a trip on your days off or when the company is desperate you get double time, 2X. So the boys with big balls will be getting almost $540 an hour although that is not an everyday occurance.
Keep slogging off the Yanks White Knighty. You wish you had 1/2 their contract. This just goes to show you how ignorant Ek pilots are. How do we ever have a chance of getting what is ours when pilots don't even know what they are missing much less what to fight for?
As I have said many times leaving a major US airline is the biggest mistake I ever made and yes I wish I could rectify it. There is just not that many DL pilots in the sand and ask the ones that are still here and most will tell you they wish they could back for sure.
What "Glorious" airline did you work for bymonkey? It couldn't have been that great if you think EK is a good airline. Are you one of those EK pilots that could take a 30% pay cut here and still be better off than your previous airline. With post like yours you have already answered my question.
Keep slogging off the Yanks White Knighty. You wish you had 1/2 their contract. This just goes to show you how ignorant Ek pilots are. How do we ever have a chance of getting what is ours when pilots don't even know what they are missing much less what to fight for?
As I have said many times leaving a major US airline is the biggest mistake I ever made and yes I wish I could rectify it. There is just not that many DL pilots in the sand and ask the ones that are still here and most will tell you they wish they could back for sure.
What "Glorious" airline did you work for bymonkey? It couldn't have been that great if you think EK is a good airline. Are you one of those EK pilots that could take a 30% pay cut here and still be better off than your previous airline. With post like yours you have already answered my question.
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Originally Posted by ac
And I paid far less for cars, food, education, staff travel etc etc than I do in Dubai
Sadly the taxman saw fit to relieve me of 18,000 GBP the last year I was there! Just on earningsLike I said - apples and pears. And we all make the choice to sign on the dotted line; hopefully having done our homework first, although I fear many didn't
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I worked for a good UK charter in the left seat. The Airline has been the longest and most established independent airline to survive under it's original name and is over 40 years old with an unblemished safety record. I left because of a lack of roster stability, numerous night turn rounds and future prospects.
I joined EK as an F/O and took home what I was taking home after deductions in the UK. 9 years later I have no regrets other than not coming here earlier. My quality of life, despite working an average of 150 hours more per year is greater than before. My financial situation and what I can offer my family is superior than I would have achieved had I stayed in the UK. F class travel, variation of holiday destinations and private education are just three perks that were not acheivable previously.
I've been civil enough to answer your question, let's see how big your balls are by answering mine.
I worked for a good UK charter in the left seat. The Airline has been the longest and most established independent airline to survive under it's original name and is over 40 years old with an unblemished safety record. I left because of a lack of roster stability, numerous night turn rounds and future prospects.
I joined EK as an F/O and took home what I was taking home after deductions in the UK. 9 years later I have no regrets other than not coming here earlier. My quality of life, despite working an average of 150 hours more per year is greater than before. My financial situation and what I can offer my family is superior than I would have achieved had I stayed in the UK. F class travel, variation of holiday destinations and private education are just three perks that were not acheivable previously.
I've been civil enough to answer your question, let's see how big your balls are by answering mine.
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Proves my point excactly. You made as much as an FO here as you did as a captain for that "airline" back home. Translate that to my friends at DL that are international FOs and they make almost as much as I do as a captain. Yeah that is same. 30% pay cut and you will still be happy here.
As I said before we will never get what is ours when "pilots" like you think we are making good money. Them compound the days we work with the conditions we work under and we are a long way from Industry Standard but you are happy though.
As I said before we will never get what is ours when "pilots" like you think we are making good money. Them compound the days we work with the conditions we work under and we are a long way from Industry Standard but you are happy though.
AC,
So, what are you going to do about it? Strike? Leave?
You are here pouring contempt on your colleagues while not appearing willing to do anything different than what they are, except moan about the position you put yourself in.
BYMONKEY pointed out why he moved here, to improve his life, and I did likewise. Are you saying we should have stayed in worse paying jobs?
If being here is NOT the best option for you, why are you here? (And please note I asked you the same question around three years ago- and the answer was "I won't be for long").
I also note you're a Captain these days- Would you be if you hadn't come here, and what would you be earning?
So, what are you going to do about it? Strike? Leave?
You are here pouring contempt on your colleagues while not appearing willing to do anything different than what they are, except moan about the position you put yourself in.
BYMONKEY pointed out why he moved here, to improve his life, and I did likewise. Are you saying we should have stayed in worse paying jobs?
If being here is NOT the best option for you, why are you here? (And please note I asked you the same question around three years ago- and the answer was "I won't be for long").
I also note you're a Captain these days- Would you be if you hadn't come here, and what would you be earning?
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