Where is the best deal at the moment? Emirates/Qatar/FD/Etihad?
Pampa,
Ek has 170 aeroplanes now. They plan 260 (280 can't remember the actual figure) by 2020. So growth of 110 (best case) aeroplanes in the next 9 years. Call it 10 Capts per aeroplane, thats 1100 of the 1700 fos on the present list upgraded by 2020. Of course people will leave in that time and that will help, but I think its pretty clear that planning on an upgrade in 2yrs would be planning for disappointment.
EK does not upgrade, or even fleet transfer on seniority. For example, as the 777 fleet has been growing for the past 6 or so years, FOs on that fleet have gained commands quicker than those on the Bus. In the same way Bus FOs upgraded quicker than Boeing FOs in the years before this. The Boeing has real fleet growth of 60 aeroplanes left, they already have a fleet of 100, so the junior FO there is without a delivery for command, and is needing the gumpy old b@ggas ahead of him to leave and make room for him. The miniBus fleet is at 44 and decreasing ( 5 332s and 8 343s leave by April 2013) but then grows to 70 (not counting options) 350s. The 380 is at 18 but grows to 90 by 2018. EK is notoriously bad at managing fleet replacement/growth. Many tears will be shed in the next few years because of this.
Not much help I guess but consider planning on a longer period for command. If it comes quicker its a bonus.
the Don
Ek has 170 aeroplanes now. They plan 260 (280 can't remember the actual figure) by 2020. So growth of 110 (best case) aeroplanes in the next 9 years. Call it 10 Capts per aeroplane, thats 1100 of the 1700 fos on the present list upgraded by 2020. Of course people will leave in that time and that will help, but I think its pretty clear that planning on an upgrade in 2yrs would be planning for disappointment.
EK does not upgrade, or even fleet transfer on seniority. For example, as the 777 fleet has been growing for the past 6 or so years, FOs on that fleet have gained commands quicker than those on the Bus. In the same way Bus FOs upgraded quicker than Boeing FOs in the years before this. The Boeing has real fleet growth of 60 aeroplanes left, they already have a fleet of 100, so the junior FO there is without a delivery for command, and is needing the gumpy old b@ggas ahead of him to leave and make room for him. The miniBus fleet is at 44 and decreasing ( 5 332s and 8 343s leave by April 2013) but then grows to 70 (not counting options) 350s. The 380 is at 18 but grows to 90 by 2018. EK is notoriously bad at managing fleet replacement/growth. Many tears will be shed in the next few years because of this.
Not much help I guess but consider planning on a longer period for command. If it comes quicker its a bonus.
the Don
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: USA
Posts: 20
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Thanks Don, I was recently in AUH and kind of like the city, better then where I am now, I might try Etihad then instead, they do DEC on the A320.
Honestly I don't really care to be Captain, of course I much rather, but it is not number one issue for me, I can wait, if money and living conditions are good as FO, I don't mind, just don't want to wait 7 or 10 years!, I am not that young...
I appreciate everyone's imput, all info, no matter which point of view, helps.
Have safe flying.
Honestly I don't really care to be Captain, of course I much rather, but it is not number one issue for me, I can wait, if money and living conditions are good as FO, I don't mind, just don't want to wait 7 or 10 years!, I am not that young...
I appreciate everyone's imput, all info, no matter which point of view, helps.
Have safe flying.
Join Date: Dec 2000
Posts: 77
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Ek EY or QR
Ek has the following.
1. Dubai
2. Lifestyle
3.good bunch of Guys on the flight deck
4. Basic salary is considerably large as part of the salary and allowance package
So you don't take big dent in your income if you go on leave or are sick
5.pick up and drop in Volvo for flights , sim sessions and refresher
6. Medical and license renewals paid for
7.loss of license 3x times basic annual salary death 4x annual basic
8. Provident fund contribution upti 15 % of basic salary . Two paid referrals per year for financial advice.
9.schooling assistance for upto 3 children upo the age 18 yrs 11 months and 30 days ( so as long as you don't turn 19 )
10. Leave ticket is economy class with upgrade to business on availability for FO grade capt booked in business upgrade subject to availability
11 emirates clinic for self -paid for b company . Family to. Clinic through a discounted insurance cover. Hospitalization via insurance world wide with limits and usual exclusions
12. Dental checks and treatments upo aed 2500 per patient per year
13.unlimited ID 90 tickets symbol and ID CONFIRMED for staff and family . Also limited travel facilities or parents and I laws and brother and sisters.
14.salary increment plus a salary review Usually 3% increment ..review doesn't necessarily mean a salary rise. They look at the market demand and supply and then make a decision
15. 6 weeks vacation . Usually max of 21 allowed during summer and Xmas
16.meal allowance on layovers. Nothing to write home about . Varies on local hotel coffee shop rates with discounts so allowance can be as Low as $35 in Dhaka to £ 60 in lhr €100 Europe
17company housing with a paid for water and power if in an apartment . In a villa the utilities have a cap . So you need to watch the unnecessary wastage of the kids leaving the lights on etc.
18.Profut share Min two weeks if target is met . And anything above the target is shared . Last year 12 weeks. This year doesn't seem to likely we can exceed last years profit
19. Rotating rostering system. Allows for juniors in the seniority system a better chance to bid for something they would prefer .days off, layover, flights they don't like , turnarounds etc
20.on the b777 the life style is better with an option of ULR LR and short haul. Allowing for more days off. A330 is a bit more tiring with limited layovers and more turn arounds
21. Communication is average .generally through wash up meetings at the end of a refresher day middle management from Flt ops and HR have a session. Newsletters and Flt ops update via the portal. Hard copy ek news twice weekly newspaper , now also on line.
22. Conversion training fairly comprehensive. Includes CRM , human factors training , modern training facilities ,second to none . Includes fully motion b777 and a380 cabin crew trainer with ditching , smoke and sound.
23. Feedback about training is encouraged after completion of course.
24. Line Trg is a minimum of 50 hrs 12 sectors with option for more if required.
25,recurrent ever 6 months includes an review of systems at home , hotel wherever , one day of chalk and talk, and two days if simulation. Also plans for 2 manual handling session per year apart from the recurrent.
26 FO upgrades running at approx 4 years Generally moving from right to left seat on sane aircraft.
27. Free uniform, shoes, cap, suitcase
28. Hotels are generally of a good to high standard. On so occasions you might find an odd ball contradiction.
29. Cabin crew are young and very refreshingly friendly and hospitable.
30. Separate Crew meals provided onboard. Usually business class and first class choice is offered when available.
31. Tel allowance is provide to cover incidentals
32. Senior and middle management expat and chief pilots Locals.
33.most of documentation is online and or soft copy available.
34. Aircrafts are new and destinations are many.
35. Flight dispatch via LIDO and EK dispatchers . Flight planning fairly accurate.
36. ASR REPORTS fed back to all the crew.
37. Exchange rate protection. A scheme to protect you against currency fluctuations against your home currency. Basically if you home currency is stronger than portion of your basic salary is increased to meet the shortfall in
However if your home currency falls you still receive he minimum basis salary
38. basic Salary is the same during training . and then when you start your flight training you get the flying allowance
39. Interest free car loan , that allows you to buy a subcompact , Japanese, US , Korean, vehicle.
40. Discounted tickets twice a year for your maid
There are also negatives . It's all a case of half full or half empty. I shall allow other members on the forum to highlight the negatives in an objective manner
bm
1. Dubai
2. Lifestyle
3.good bunch of Guys on the flight deck
4. Basic salary is considerably large as part of the salary and allowance package
So you don't take big dent in your income if you go on leave or are sick
5.pick up and drop in Volvo for flights , sim sessions and refresher
6. Medical and license renewals paid for
7.loss of license 3x times basic annual salary death 4x annual basic
8. Provident fund contribution upti 15 % of basic salary . Two paid referrals per year for financial advice.
9.schooling assistance for upto 3 children upo the age 18 yrs 11 months and 30 days ( so as long as you don't turn 19 )
10. Leave ticket is economy class with upgrade to business on availability for FO grade capt booked in business upgrade subject to availability
11 emirates clinic for self -paid for b company . Family to. Clinic through a discounted insurance cover. Hospitalization via insurance world wide with limits and usual exclusions
12. Dental checks and treatments upo aed 2500 per patient per year
13.unlimited ID 90 tickets symbol and ID CONFIRMED for staff and family . Also limited travel facilities or parents and I laws and brother and sisters.
14.salary increment plus a salary review Usually 3% increment ..review doesn't necessarily mean a salary rise. They look at the market demand and supply and then make a decision
15. 6 weeks vacation . Usually max of 21 allowed during summer and Xmas
16.meal allowance on layovers. Nothing to write home about . Varies on local hotel coffee shop rates with discounts so allowance can be as Low as $35 in Dhaka to £ 60 in lhr €100 Europe
17company housing with a paid for water and power if in an apartment . In a villa the utilities have a cap . So you need to watch the unnecessary wastage of the kids leaving the lights on etc.
18.Profut share Min two weeks if target is met . And anything above the target is shared . Last year 12 weeks. This year doesn't seem to likely we can exceed last years profit
19. Rotating rostering system. Allows for juniors in the seniority system a better chance to bid for something they would prefer .days off, layover, flights they don't like , turnarounds etc
20.on the b777 the life style is better with an option of ULR LR and short haul. Allowing for more days off. A330 is a bit more tiring with limited layovers and more turn arounds
21. Communication is average .generally through wash up meetings at the end of a refresher day middle management from Flt ops and HR have a session. Newsletters and Flt ops update via the portal. Hard copy ek news twice weekly newspaper , now also on line.
22. Conversion training fairly comprehensive. Includes CRM , human factors training , modern training facilities ,second to none . Includes fully motion b777 and a380 cabin crew trainer with ditching , smoke and sound.
23. Feedback about training is encouraged after completion of course.
24. Line Trg is a minimum of 50 hrs 12 sectors with option for more if required.
25,recurrent ever 6 months includes an review of systems at home , hotel wherever , one day of chalk and talk, and two days if simulation. Also plans for 2 manual handling session per year apart from the recurrent.
26 FO upgrades running at approx 4 years Generally moving from right to left seat on sane aircraft.
27. Free uniform, shoes, cap, suitcase
28. Hotels are generally of a good to high standard. On so occasions you might find an odd ball contradiction.
29. Cabin crew are young and very refreshingly friendly and hospitable.
30. Separate Crew meals provided onboard. Usually business class and first class choice is offered when available.
31. Tel allowance is provide to cover incidentals
32. Senior and middle management expat and chief pilots Locals.
33.most of documentation is online and or soft copy available.
34. Aircrafts are new and destinations are many.
35. Flight dispatch via LIDO and EK dispatchers . Flight planning fairly accurate.
36. ASR REPORTS fed back to all the crew.
37. Exchange rate protection. A scheme to protect you against currency fluctuations against your home currency. Basically if you home currency is stronger than portion of your basic salary is increased to meet the shortfall in
However if your home currency falls you still receive he minimum basis salary
38. basic Salary is the same during training . and then when you start your flight training you get the flying allowance
39. Interest free car loan , that allows you to buy a subcompact , Japanese, US , Korean, vehicle.
40. Discounted tickets twice a year for your maid
There are also negatives . It's all a case of half full or half empty. I shall allow other members on the forum to highlight the negatives in an objective manner
bm
Last edited by bigmountain; 10th Feb 2012 at 18:16.
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Europe
Age: 48
Posts: 20
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Wow, that really was a thorough list of the good things in EK. Similar truthful list of the bad things would also be nice to read as I'm soon in the situation to decide whether to take a new job at EK or stay on my current one between the snowbanks...
Thanks , for all the details on EK, just wanted to to know are you allowed to commute to your home country during your time offs.
Is it practical? Not very.
How often and for how long is the minimum you want to be in your home country, and how far is that from Dubai?
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: The SandPit
Posts: 2
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Just when you thought you had a choice....
This would seem to be the best package going around for new joiner FOs, looking for a good package in the Middle East....
Alcoa workers offered Middle East jobs | News.com.au
Just seems like this aviation game is in a spiral!
Alcoa workers offered Middle East jobs | News.com.au
Just seems like this aviation game is in a spiral!
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Stairways to heaven
Posts: 346
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
It's a pure comedy show here and when you arrive you have to sit an exam. It's called the clown test.
Unfortunately there are no pills to cure moronititis, so the show will continue for the next 10,000 years.
Unfortunately there are no pills to cure moronititis, so the show will continue for the next 10,000 years.
Join Date: May 2008
Location: EU
Posts: 49
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
How can I choose the best?
I am an experianced 737 FO and I already applied for all airlines above. EK called me immediately but unfortunately I failed on 3rd day. The rest 3 airlines were not interested to invite me for an assessment. 
