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Emirates 777 incident at Moscow
Emirates 777 continued flight after loud bang, messages
NTSB: Emirates 777 continued flight after loud bang, messages
The US National Transportation Safety Board revealed in a preliminary report issued 30 August that an Emirates Boeing 777-200ER crew continued a 5h flight from Moscow's Domodedovo airport to Dubai on 5 March after hearing a "loud bang" and receiving several error messages on departure.
Pilots of Flight 132 (A6-EMH) reported the incident after landing at Dubai, according to the General Civil Aviation Authority (GCAA) of the United Arab Emirates, the authority handling the investigation.
"Following the bang a number of status messages were annunciated, these messages occurred over a 16 minute time as per the Boeing AHM (airplane health management) data," the report stated.
Messages indicated a problem with the right Rolls-Royce Trent 800 engine, and included a thrust asymmetry compensation message that is issued when the flight control computer automatically uses rudder input counter the yaw effects of a failed engine.
Four additional messages were received on departure, followed by two AHM messages after landing.
Flightglobal's ACAS database shows that the 14-year-old aircraft is owned by Veling and has Trent 884-17 engines, members of the Trent 800 family. As of 31 June, the aircraft had accumulated 61,581 cycles and 12,945h, according to ACAS.
Inspection of the aircraft in Dubai revealed "a large section" of the right engine's inboard fan duct and thrust reverser were missing, starting at the trailing edge and ripping forward.
Overall, officials estimated that 2.8-3.7m2 (30-40m2) section of engine covering to be missing, along with the primary exhaust nozzle outer skin. The primary nozzle inner skin had been "holed in several locations at the 12 to 1 o'clock position," the report stated.
External to the engine, the one tyre on the main landing gear "was observed to have a large cut to the sideway" of approximately 36cm (14in), officials said. Examination of the aircraft and engine was to continue but the results have not yet been posted.
The report does not discuss what procedures the Emirates crew followed after hearing the bang and receiving the AHM annunciations or whether the aircraft should have been returned to Domodedovo.
NTSB: Emirates 777 continued flight after loud bang, messages
The US National Transportation Safety Board revealed in a preliminary report issued 30 August that an Emirates Boeing 777-200ER crew continued a 5h flight from Moscow's Domodedovo airport to Dubai on 5 March after hearing a "loud bang" and receiving several error messages on departure.
Pilots of Flight 132 (A6-EMH) reported the incident after landing at Dubai, according to the General Civil Aviation Authority (GCAA) of the United Arab Emirates, the authority handling the investigation.
"Following the bang a number of status messages were annunciated, these messages occurred over a 16 minute time as per the Boeing AHM (airplane health management) data," the report stated.
Messages indicated a problem with the right Rolls-Royce Trent 800 engine, and included a thrust asymmetry compensation message that is issued when the flight control computer automatically uses rudder input counter the yaw effects of a failed engine.
Four additional messages were received on departure, followed by two AHM messages after landing.
Flightglobal's ACAS database shows that the 14-year-old aircraft is owned by Veling and has Trent 884-17 engines, members of the Trent 800 family. As of 31 June, the aircraft had accumulated 61,581 cycles and 12,945h, according to ACAS.
Inspection of the aircraft in Dubai revealed "a large section" of the right engine's inboard fan duct and thrust reverser were missing, starting at the trailing edge and ripping forward.
Overall, officials estimated that 2.8-3.7m2 (30-40m2) section of engine covering to be missing, along with the primary exhaust nozzle outer skin. The primary nozzle inner skin had been "holed in several locations at the 12 to 1 o'clock position," the report stated.
External to the engine, the one tyre on the main landing gear "was observed to have a large cut to the sideway" of approximately 36cm (14in), officials said. Examination of the aircraft and engine was to continue but the results have not yet been posted.
The report does not discuss what procedures the Emirates crew followed after hearing the bang and receiving the AHM annunciations or whether the aircraft should have been returned to Domodedovo.
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Just off the top of my head, I would guess the crew disregarded the status messages because they know how to operate the airplane, unlike whoever wrote or is commenting on this report.
Status messages have no bearing or relevance in flight and in fact are to be ignored as soon as engine start has occurred. They are for the information of ground engineers post-flight only.
Exceedingly weak wind-up attempt, founded in ignorance as usual.
Status messages have no bearing or relevance in flight and in fact are to be ignored as soon as engine start has occurred. They are for the information of ground engineers post-flight only.
Exceedingly weak wind-up attempt, founded in ignorance as usual.
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Without being there how do you know if they didn't communicate with the company regarding whatever messages were displayed on EICAS - STS or not?
Maintenance is often able to see things on the ground that we cannot yet see on the aircraft. And yes I speak from experience!
It is always an assumption that guys messed up? Nice support for our colleagues guys......
Maintenance is often able to see things on the ground that we cannot yet see on the aircraft. And yes I speak from experience!
It is always an assumption that guys messed up? Nice support for our colleagues guys......
So....
Sheikmyarse, seer of seers, knower of all, doesn't know the difference between EICAS messages and STATUS messages......
No wonder he was "volunteered" to leave EK......
Sheikmyarse, seer of seers, knower of all, doesn't know the difference between EICAS messages and STATUS messages......
No wonder he was "volunteered" to leave EK......
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Hey drivers,
What about the "flight control sys" status message ...?
You know nothing ... and your problem is that you are all thinking , pilots in the UAE that you are great because you are working for this so called airlines ... but you have to open your eyes , you are just pilots ... and you are so afraid to loose your "so nice life with slaves" that you will go on while having a major problem , idiots who are risking lifes of others !!!
What about the "flight control sys" status message ...?
You know nothing ... and your problem is that you are all thinking , pilots in the UAE that you are great because you are working for this so called airlines ... but you have to open your eyes , you are just pilots ... and you are so afraid to loose your "so nice life with slaves" that you will go on while having a major problem , idiots who are risking lifes of others !!!
777-200ER - Two 374kN (84,000lb) PW4084s, or 378kN (85,000lb) GE90-85Bs, or 373kN (84,000lb) Trent 884s; or 400kN (90,000lb) class PW4090s, GE90-90B1s, or Trent 890s; or 409kN (92,000lb) GE90-92Bs.
Our 200ERs have the Trent 890s.
The rest of your posts are no better informed.......
Our 200ERs have the Trent 890s.
The rest of your posts are no better informed.......
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Read the last two paragraphs. External damage to the engine and can be seen from the cabin (have talked with witnesses). Tire damage from engine debris. Seems a bit more than a status msg. NTSB investigation, hmm. Don't believe they usually get involved over status msgs or even general EICAS warnings unless maybe just a little something else "amiss". Did the company say no problem bring her on in? Was Boeing involved in perhaps a "conference call" over satcom and they said, no problem bring her on in? Just askin'.
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Tango Uniform , the only good MCC Engineers are gone from ek ... the last ones are under pressure of their management ... and i am not telling you how much they are useless as they are unexperienced !
MATMAX,
Just so I can enjoy you continuing to make a fool of yourself, can you confirm that you are sticking to the line that Emirates does not have RR Trent powered B777 200ERs, and that I, a serving EK 777 Captain, am too stupid to realize this, even though I regularly fly them?
PLEASE supply one more post to that effect!!
THEN go and research the difference between a 300ER (only available with GE-90 115 Engines), a 200LR (only available with GE 90 110s), and the 200ER which was available with the above mentioned engine options.
Then put the bottle down.....
Just so I can enjoy you continuing to make a fool of yourself, can you confirm that you are sticking to the line that Emirates does not have RR Trent powered B777 200ERs, and that I, a serving EK 777 Captain, am too stupid to realize this, even though I regularly fly them?
PLEASE supply one more post to that effect!!
THEN go and research the difference between a 300ER (only available with GE-90 115 Engines), a 200LR (only available with GE 90 110s), and the 200ER which was available with the above mentioned engine options.
Then put the bottle down.....
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Wiz , i was one of the guy who was signing the releases of the A/C you were flying with , and not your A/C , even before you heard about engines problems !
FYI , before ek , i was with the launch company of the 300ER and as an Engineer , do not tell me about engines as you do not even know about which sense , clockwise or counterclockwise an engine is turning ...
I am not telling you how much i am happy nowadays to deal with Etihad Pilots , Captain or F/Os , as they are listening to Engineers and not thinking that they are the ones who are knowing everything...
Mate , as i guess that you are an Aussie , a serving Captain , use your brain and follow common sense ... an advice.
Get some respects to Engineers too.
Now tell us , what is the difference between an EICAS and a STATUS message ?
If Sheiky was volunteer to leave ek , he was clever enough not to follow really stupid stuff ... thats what i did too !
FYI , before ek , i was with the launch company of the 300ER and as an Engineer , do not tell me about engines as you do not even know about which sense , clockwise or counterclockwise an engine is turning ...
I am not telling you how much i am happy nowadays to deal with Etihad Pilots , Captain or F/Os , as they are listening to Engineers and not thinking that they are the ones who are knowing everything...
Mate , as i guess that you are an Aussie , a serving Captain , use your brain and follow common sense ... an advice.
Get some respects to Engineers too.
Now tell us , what is the difference between an EICAS and a STATUS message ?
If Sheiky was volunteer to leave ek , he was clever enough not to follow really stupid stuff ... thats what i did too !
MAT,
Just to be clear, are there or are there not RR Trent powered B777 200ERs?
Your last post appeared to be a lot of bluster because you won't admit you are wrong.
I'll talk to you about engines because YOU made the erroneous statement that there are no RR powered 777ERs when there are.
EICAS messages are Warnings, Cautions and Alerts. They are displayed on the upper DU and appear automatically outside inhibited flight segments.
Status messages appear on this Status page, and have no associated condition statements or non-normal checklists.
That's the difference.
Just to be clear, are there or are there not RR Trent powered B777 200ERs?
Your last post appeared to be a lot of bluster because you won't admit you are wrong.
I'll talk to you about engines because YOU made the erroneous statement that there are no RR powered 777ERs when there are.
EICAS messages are Warnings, Cautions and Alerts. They are displayed on the upper DU and appear automatically outside inhibited flight segments.
Status messages appear on this Status page, and have no associated condition statements or non-normal checklists.
That's the difference.
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This is an interesting scenario!
Let assume you MATMAX were on that EK flight as an in-flight Engineer ... what kind of suggestion or even action (only if allowed to take actions in-flight) you would have recommend to that Capt...
(...and for the purpose of the exercise let assume the Capt was NOT Wiz, because we all probably know the answer already!)
Let assume you MATMAX were on that EK flight as an in-flight Engineer ... what kind of suggestion or even action (only if allowed to take actions in-flight) you would have recommend to that Capt...
(...and for the purpose of the exercise let assume the Capt was NOT Wiz, because we all probably know the answer already!)
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Wiz , as i said already , you are a monkey who is following what he has been learnt ...
EICAS means engine indicating and crew advertisement systems ...hope that your colleagues know about collision avoidance with you ...
This guy is so stupid that he will go on just to show to others that he is a TRI or TRE , and that his bo..ocks are replacing his brain...
Non Zero , i am more interested in what you say:
Even if Flight Engineers had been replaced by "computers" , you still have Cabin Crews ... call them and ask them about what they saw or heard... that could helps ! thats my own experience and thats valid on the Bus too as about engines , it could be seen from the cabin...
Hope that you follow me.
EICAS means engine indicating and crew advertisement systems ...hope that your colleagues know about collision avoidance with you ...
This guy is so stupid that he will go on just to show to others that he is a TRI or TRE , and that his bo..ocks are replacing his brain...
Non Zero , i am more interested in what you say:
Even if Flight Engineers had been replaced by "computers" , you still have Cabin Crews ... call them and ask them about what they saw or heard... that could helps ! thats my own experience and thats valid on the Bus too as about engines , it could be seen from the cabin...
Hope that you follow me.
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OBOGS , some words of wisdom ...?
I am not saying that these guys did not do everything...
I have lived some same situations and just get nervous by this Wiz who thinks that everything is written in the books and that he is the best pilot on earth ...
Just wonder mate , why the A/C sent a lot of messages after a loud bang ...
I am not saying that these guys did not do everything...
I have lived some same situations and just get nervous by this Wiz who thinks that everything is written in the books and that he is the best pilot on earth ...
Just wonder mate , why the A/C sent a lot of messages after a loud bang ...