Dictators of the Skies?
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Hypocrites
The Air Canada union leader is naturally trying to rally support for the unpopular protection of his, his membership's and Air Canada's position at the expense of the Canadian flying public. The xenophobic, racist and ignorant comments distract from the professionalism and credibility of the interview, in which the interviewer is doing as much of the carping as the union leader.
The irony not yet mentioned in this thread is that it is Canada government's recently-reiterated policy to try to obtain more Sixth Freedom traffic through Toronto - in other words, having Air Canada moving more U.S. passengers to and from third countries through Pearson Airport. Just like KLM, Air France, British Airways, Lufthansa and, yes, Emirates.
Air Canada likes to have it both ways, arguing for free enterprise and "competition" when it suits them, claiming the protection of the government as flag carrier and former Crown corporation whenever necessary.
As for Air Canada's desirability as an employer, ask any former Canadi>n employee.
The irony not yet mentioned in this thread is that it is Canada government's recently-reiterated policy to try to obtain more Sixth Freedom traffic through Toronto - in other words, having Air Canada moving more U.S. passengers to and from third countries through Pearson Airport. Just like KLM, Air France, British Airways, Lufthansa and, yes, Emirates.
Air Canada likes to have it both ways, arguing for free enterprise and "competition" when it suits them, claiming the protection of the government as flag carrier and former Crown corporation whenever necessary.
As for Air Canada's desirability as an employer, ask any former Canadi>n employee.
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The use of the term Crusader on a ME forum immediately suggests this guy is a troll. When you read the ill-informed rubbish he writes the suspicion is confirmed. Ignore list!
I couldn't stop laughing at this interview. Wasn't the interviewer Drew Carey?
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Question. If a carrier from the sub continent (where the majority of the ramp workers in the gulf are from), decided to up it's game and expand like the Gulf carriers and try to 'BULLY' it's way into Canada (where most of them live anyway), will Canada still cry foul? Bear in mind the overheads in those countries are way less.
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I think what the video discusses is very much real and credible. As EK continues to expand, you will find more govts wary of the NKOTB eventually leading to some co-ordinated action. Bullying tactics might work in UAE but it's a whole new game out there ....let's wait and see.
Here in India, there's growing media focus on the middle eastern carriers growth at the cost of Indian airline businesses.Limiting flying rights of flydubai into India was one of the outcomes of this pressure from the media .EK cant land a widebody on a 6000 ft runway in say patna/rajkot/jammu/raipur etc ...so their idea was to get the sister , no unrelated flydubai to get the passengers out of these smaller Indian airports. I hope the Federation of Indian Airlines(FIA) and other aviation bodies apply increased pressure to reverse this situation and allow professional Indian carriers like Indigo, Jet, Kf, Spice etc . to grow in a fair aviation friendly environment .
While our govt. is at fault for the skewed aviation policies that affect Indian airline companies , I'm sure the ME airlines would have a role to play in the rule making /policies of the govt. Recently, the economic times in India called Emirates the national airline of India purely based on it's frequency of flights from/to India.
In spite of our govt, there are a few Indian carriers that can give EK a run for their money in the years to come, interesting times ahead maybe????
masalama.
Here in India, there's growing media focus on the middle eastern carriers growth at the cost of Indian airline businesses.Limiting flying rights of flydubai into India was one of the outcomes of this pressure from the media .EK cant land a widebody on a 6000 ft runway in say patna/rajkot/jammu/raipur etc ...so their idea was to get the sister , no unrelated flydubai to get the passengers out of these smaller Indian airports. I hope the Federation of Indian Airlines(FIA) and other aviation bodies apply increased pressure to reverse this situation and allow professional Indian carriers like Indigo, Jet, Kf, Spice etc . to grow in a fair aviation friendly environment .
While our govt. is at fault for the skewed aviation policies that affect Indian airline companies , I'm sure the ME airlines would have a role to play in the rule making /policies of the govt. Recently, the economic times in India called Emirates the national airline of India purely based on it's frequency of flights from/to India.
In spite of our govt, there are a few Indian carriers that can give EK a run for their money in the years to come, interesting times ahead maybe????
masalama.
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Dear Crusader...why don't you bring the argument back here in public rather than hiding in there behind the PMs? No one likes to argue or whatever it is you do in the dark...or do I ignore ya like many others seem to do?
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Boys and girls: Simply put its Geography.
I you are at either end of the world you cant make point to point work...if your are in the middle...you can connect the dots.
Newcastle-Sydney ...No
Calgary - Colombo....No
Only a matter of time...and before the AC crowd get too high on their moral horse, they agreed to let EK penetrate Canada for 50% of the profits a number of years ago and EK said no - at which point it was "well if we cant do business with them" lets attack (not sure why morally they sought a deal with the so called 'dictator in the skies' in the first place - after all its about principle right?.....riiiiiggghhht)
Awful lot of imported cars built by labourers in Asia zooming around the streets of Canada...the consumer will ultimately prevail...at which point...shall we say "schadenfreude"
This isn't about human rights or competitive fairness - its about a business model that cannot work. Let Capt Luddite scream...it wont stop the paradigm global shift in hub dynamics.
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I you are at either end of the world you cant make point to point work...if your are in the middle...you can connect the dots.
Newcastle-Sydney ...No
Calgary - Colombo....No
Only a matter of time...and before the AC crowd get too high on their moral horse, they agreed to let EK penetrate Canada for 50% of the profits a number of years ago and EK said no - at which point it was "well if we cant do business with them" lets attack (not sure why morally they sought a deal with the so called 'dictator in the skies' in the first place - after all its about principle right?.....riiiiiggghhht)
Awful lot of imported cars built by labourers in Asia zooming around the streets of Canada...the consumer will ultimately prevail...at which point...shall we say "schadenfreude"
This isn't about human rights or competitive fairness - its about a business model that cannot work. Let Capt Luddite scream...it wont stop the paradigm global shift in hub dynamics.
f.
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Two very stupid and ignorant fellows on that video!!!!!
AC WILL go down
And hopefully the spineless governement with it. EK (for all of it's faults) will generate far more income and business IN Canada for Canadians than AC can ever hope to achieve...
LHR RAin - check the backgrounds of many many pilots here; they're not all from P1ssWiily Air
Interesting that you (and the two spanners on the video) mention Sabena! Let's face it, Sabena was in it's death throes before 9/11.... And Alitalia??? That's good for a laugh. They can't even afford new paper aeroplanes
No - I'm not defending Emirates either. I just think that the Canadian government and AC are as hypocritical as the entity that they hate so much
AC WILL go down
And hopefully the spineless governement with it. EK (for all of it's faults) will generate far more income and business IN Canada for Canadians than AC can ever hope to achieve...LHR RAin - check the backgrounds of many many pilots here; they're not all from P1ssWiily Air
Originally Posted by alconquin crusader
The airlines of the world are going to have to stand up and stop Emirates because as they said in the video 6 major airlines in Europe no longer serve Aus
No - I'm not defending Emirates either. I just think that the Canadian government and AC are as hypocritical as the entity that they hate so much
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before I get banned again...
Let me applaude this video
Time to stop the ******* habibis slaver, exploiter dictators sheiks of my arse.
Some of you need Stockolm Syndrome treatment.
Well done !!!
Time to stop the ******* habibis slaver, exploiter dictators sheiks of my arse.
Some of you need Stockolm Syndrome treatment.
Well done !!!
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It's about reciprocity.
Air service agreements are supposed to be mutually beneficial. There's no doubt that EK would kick ACs' butt. You can't deny the contestants aren't evenly matched.
EK doesn't represent anything but the ultimate manipulation of ASAs. Because the market is there doesn't mean you have the right to grab it all.
No one can compete against the EK behemoth and thrive.
I'm no fan of Air Canada either but it's no fight when the 98 lb vegan weakling is battling the gorilla on steroids.
Go and beat your chest elsewhere guys, it ain't going to happen till the rules change and the wimps' training regimen is done.
Air service agreements are supposed to be mutually beneficial. There's no doubt that EK would kick ACs' butt. You can't deny the contestants aren't evenly matched.
EK doesn't represent anything but the ultimate manipulation of ASAs. Because the market is there doesn't mean you have the right to grab it all.
No one can compete against the EK behemoth and thrive.
I'm no fan of Air Canada either but it's no fight when the 98 lb vegan weakling is battling the gorilla on steroids.
Go and beat your chest elsewhere guys, it ain't going to happen till the rules change and the wimps' training regimen is done.
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Let AC come to Dubai
I dont' care who is serving the Dubai-Canada market, as long as somebody is, at least daily or whatever the market will bear. Right now I have 3 flts per week in which to try to get home, compare that to my colleagues from any other country that we serve. Even in markets that are flown twice per day, most of the flights are full. Ask an aussie how easy it is to get home.
All this protectionist bulls*^t is just a red herring. They want a chance to catch up, but they can't possibly expand as quickly as Emirates can. And should a route turn unprofitable, especially a long haul one, they can't adjust as quickly as Emirates can. They're fuc*#d and they know it.
And don't call that interview journalism. Its sensationalism at best, agitation at worst. Nobody in Canada has ever considered Ezra Levant (the 'interviewer') a real journalist.
How about getting Rex Murphy to interview Capt Strachan???
All this protectionist bulls*^t is just a red herring. They want a chance to catch up, but they can't possibly expand as quickly as Emirates can. And should a route turn unprofitable, especially a long haul one, they can't adjust as quickly as Emirates can. They're fuc*#d and they know it.
And don't call that interview journalism. Its sensationalism at best, agitation at worst. Nobody in Canada has ever considered Ezra Levant (the 'interviewer') a real journalist.
How about getting Rex Murphy to interview Capt Strachan???
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To be honest, I think EK has got some great exposure from this.... Those pictures of the airline look fab
New airplanes, great seats, better service, they have THEIR OWN airport, and more importantly for the Canadian consumer.... CHEAPER tickets as mentioned by the interviewer!!!
My 2 cents....
New airplanes, great seats, better service, they have THEIR OWN airport, and more importantly for the Canadian consumer.... CHEAPER tickets as mentioned by the interviewer!!!
My 2 cents....
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Mupp I too thought that it was a great ad for EK!!!
On the issue of "Government funded" aircraft.... I believe that on several of our planes these a neat little silver plaque in the flight deck that tells you who the owner and lessor is..... last time I looked it didn't say "Government of Dubai".
Canadians unfortunately are going to be the big losers in service and convenience because of Harperism politics.
On the issue of "Government funded" aircraft.... I believe that on several of our planes these a neat little silver plaque in the flight deck that tells you who the owner and lessor is..... last time I looked it didn't say "Government of Dubai".
Canadians unfortunately are going to be the big losers in service and convenience because of Harperism politics.
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I'll repeat my 98lb weakling vs. the gorilla analogy.
It's not a fair fight and any government would need it's head read if they allow unfettered access to their markets by EK. Just because it's there doesn't mean it's yours to take.
Stop beating your chests and grow up, for Petes sake.
It's not a fair fight and any government would need it's head read if they allow unfettered access to their markets by EK. Just because it's there doesn't mean it's yours to take.
Stop beating your chests and grow up, for Petes sake.
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Capt U,
I wonder would you be sounding the same tune if CX had access to only three flights a week to YYZ.
Stop it, its pathetic.
Dubai is a global hub whose govt will invest in its strenght...location. AC offer nothing to the sub-continent eventhough its citizens are well ensconced in Canadian society like the Asians that CX so profitably serve.
Arguing that city pairs must only provide for direct point to point pax in todays world would put your airline out of business...back to the fragrant harbour with you
f.
I wonder would you be sounding the same tune if CX had access to only three flights a week to YYZ.
Stop it, its pathetic.
Dubai is a global hub whose govt will invest in its strenght...location. AC offer nothing to the sub-continent eventhough its citizens are well ensconced in Canadian society like the Asians that CX so profitably serve.
Arguing that city pairs must only provide for direct point to point pax in todays world would put your airline out of business...back to the fragrant harbour with you
f.
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Maybe someone north of the border can help me out.
Why would AC stand or fall with a bit more competition on one, yes one destination namely DXB. EK isn't asking for rights to fly to Europe nor other places in north america
AC has 200 or so planes and without having studied their route map Iīm still confident that they donīt fly exclusively to the subcontinent (where most passengers to DXB end up).
To be honest I feel that you mounties over react just a little bit
Why would AC stand or fall with a bit more competition on one, yes one destination namely DXB. EK isn't asking for rights to fly to Europe nor other places in north america
AC has 200 or so planes and without having studied their route map Iīm still confident that they donīt fly exclusively to the subcontinent (where most passengers to DXB end up).
To be honest I feel that you mounties over react just a little bit
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