EK trainer's "pay"
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Sorry 5 Star, what's funny about my reasoning? Care to elaborate?
Instant, you are right, however that only serves to make my point even stronger!
Idler, quite right, I'm not in management! However, if there's anything else you care to point out that's factually inaccurate about my mathematics, then please go ahead. If however you have nothing of any value to bring to the table with the adults, then butt out!
Payscale, I disagree. If (like Tomcat) people wish to compare packages, it MUST be done like for like otherwise it's a pointless comparison is it not?
Guys, I am the first to admit that things need improving greatly around here. The package though isn't really that bad is it? BE HONEST chaps. Now fatigue, schedules and other IMPORTANT issues are another thing and have been covered greatly on this forum...... This thread is regarding pay! For what it's worth (as I mentioned on the bonus thread) I think we were short changed on the Profit Share, however I am also adult enough to realise that even Tomcat's airline didn't pay out 12 weeks. It's called being objective.
Instant, you are right, however that only serves to make my point even stronger!
Idler, quite right, I'm not in management! However, if there's anything else you care to point out that's factually inaccurate about my mathematics, then please go ahead. If however you have nothing of any value to bring to the table with the adults, then butt out!
Payscale, I disagree. If (like Tomcat) people wish to compare packages, it MUST be done like for like otherwise it's a pointless comparison is it not?
Guys, I am the first to admit that things need improving greatly around here. The package though isn't really that bad is it? BE HONEST chaps. Now fatigue, schedules and other IMPORTANT issues are another thing and have been covered greatly on this forum...... This thread is regarding pay! For what it's worth (as I mentioned on the bonus thread) I think we were short changed on the Profit Share, however I am also adult enough to realise that even Tomcat's airline didn't pay out 12 weeks. It's called being objective.
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Olbay you just have not perfected the art of the contract hence you work your arse off each month.
The vast majoirity of US pilots at Emirates are either from US Air (sucks) or the regionals (they really suck.) Any of those pilots that go to Emirates get a good pay increase but I am sure that you won't see too many majors from the US there.
For the record I did turn down Emirates and `i am so glad that I did. I actually have to work 11 days this month and I am pissed.
When you include your $330,000 a year salary why do you include 50% tax rate? Why do you pay so much tax?
The vast majoirity of US pilots at Emirates are either from US Air (sucks) or the regionals (they really suck.) Any of those pilots that go to Emirates get a good pay increase but I am sure that you won't see too many majors from the US there.
For the record I did turn down Emirates and `i am so glad that I did. I actually have to work 11 days this month and I am pissed.
When you include your $330,000 a year salary why do you include 50% tax rate? Why do you pay so much tax?
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Thanks Olby but I paid 17% last year. I am sure that some of our FOs make more than some of your captains. I am pretty sure as well when we compare that ****e charter or low cost outfit you last flew for our FAs made more than you and worked less.
You might be making more than you ever hoped to make but look at the big picture. EK is a middle of the road airline, lot's of pilots make more than you and lot's of pilots make less than you. You just to happen to come from the bottom half and that is why EK looks so good to you which is understandable. But look around you won't see any BA, LH, AA, DL, AF or Qantas pilots hanging their hat at EK. Why would they take a pay cut and work more hours to live in the sand?
Have you considered the long term ramifications of working so much on the long haul operation? You have more money than you ever thought you would have made but it is only going to pay for one hell of a funeral at a young age.
You might be making more than you ever hoped to make but look at the big picture. EK is a middle of the road airline, lot's of pilots make more than you and lot's of pilots make less than you. You just to happen to come from the bottom half and that is why EK looks so good to you which is understandable. But look around you won't see any BA, LH, AA, DL, AF or Qantas pilots hanging their hat at EK. Why would they take a pay cut and work more hours to live in the sand?
Have you considered the long term ramifications of working so much on the long haul operation? You have more money than you ever thought you would have made but it is only going to pay for one hell of a funeral at a young age.
Oblaaspop, has left this thread. One too many vinos before posting me thinks.
Guys, please get back on the thread re. Trainers pay, or this thread gets closed.
EGGW.
Guys, please get back on the thread re. Trainers pay, or this thread gets closed.
EGGW.
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Varmint
You don't agree with Oblas point?
Listen to ATC in America. The majority of R/T is anything but 'professional' and compliant with the AIM, most is non-standard and by a long, long shot. Isn't that a valid point?
For the most part, no one in the simulated environment is an ATCO so for an instructor to take or make an issue out of any students ATC should be a simple matter of listening out for 'cutsey pie' lingo and correct it.
I don't think the UK CAA CAP413 is necessarily perfect, but it sure is one helluva good guide.
Just a thought.
Willie
You don't agree with Oblas point?
Listen to ATC in America. The majority of R/T is anything but 'professional' and compliant with the AIM, most is non-standard and by a long, long shot. Isn't that a valid point?
For the most part, no one in the simulated environment is an ATCO so for an instructor to take or make an issue out of any students ATC should be a simple matter of listening out for 'cutsey pie' lingo and correct it.
I don't think the UK CAA CAP413 is necessarily perfect, but it sure is one helluva good guide.
Just a thought.
Willie
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Firstly, EK doesn't train. It checks.
MM has seen to that.
Secondly, JAR licensed Airbus pilots are happy to be checked and kept legal by GP, a non-flying TRE in the CAE simulator here. Why not then non-flying TREs at EK, that can be paid a F/Os salary?
Thirdly, why is it that 'trainers' who are less productive than line pilots feel they should be paid more? Is more money the best reason to become a trainer or should they be genuinely interested in training?
Finally, training, like First Officers and CRM, are regulatory requirements that are costly and burdensome to the airline. The elimination of First Officers will enhance the bottom-line and negate the requirement for CRM further improving the company's financial performance. Not only that, once a Captain is deemed qualified there should be no further need for 'training' thereby eliminating the department altogether. The result would be a much cheaper 'mini-department' that could double as a petting-zoo for monkeys who could occupy the right hand seat for amusement on long flights and generally perform to a higher standard than some of the muppets currently being hired.
MM has seen to that.
Secondly, JAR licensed Airbus pilots are happy to be checked and kept legal by GP, a non-flying TRE in the CAE simulator here. Why not then non-flying TREs at EK, that can be paid a F/Os salary?
Thirdly, why is it that 'trainers' who are less productive than line pilots feel they should be paid more? Is more money the best reason to become a trainer or should they be genuinely interested in training?
Finally, training, like First Officers and CRM, are regulatory requirements that are costly and burdensome to the airline. The elimination of First Officers will enhance the bottom-line and negate the requirement for CRM further improving the company's financial performance. Not only that, once a Captain is deemed qualified there should be no further need for 'training' thereby eliminating the department altogether. The result would be a much cheaper 'mini-department' that could double as a petting-zoo for monkeys who could occupy the right hand seat for amusement on long flights and generally perform to a higher standard than some of the muppets currently being hired.
Thrash that is very unfair. Some of the muppets are funny. 
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"I actually have to work 11 days this month and I am pissed"
Drinking and flying is not good for you, thrash......oh, is that the language thing getting in the way again!
Drinking and flying is not good for you, thrash......oh, is that the language thing getting in the way again!
Yes the auditors also got the increase. Not sure when they are taking new guys though.
