EK 777 Captains to the A380?
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The B748 will also be open for 4 engine experienced Airbus guys without a comment from the Boeing pilots?
Obviously there is a feeling of career progression that is being delayes. So be it. The A380 is not such a good move anyway, if you plan to leave within the next 10 years. Most deliveries are for EK in that period.
Obviously there is a feeling of career progression that is being delayes. So be it. The A380 is not such a good move anyway, if you plan to leave within the next 10 years. Most deliveries are for EK in that period.
IH,
The 15 aircraft thing was in place when the 1st expression of interest request was made years ago.
Bus FOs were first shafted when DECs were hired. Boeing guys were being accellerated to command and Bus guys were held back. Ask White Knight and guys from his era. The reverse was true in the early 2000s, with Boeing guys being held back and Bus fellas being transferred to transition upgrades. New joiners on the Boeing now will be writing about how they are being shafted with respect command in 3 to 4 yrs time. Pilots aint smart people it seems!
EK don't care about your career. they will do whatever they want whenever they want. Has always been that way.
I am sorry this happened, but this has been discussed on these forums for a decade at least. New comers/joiners will always ask questions here, and when they get answers they don't like, they refer to EK pilots as being out of touch, and not knowing how bad it is etc etc and join anyway. Its not until the BSJS (Big Shiny Jet Syndrome) wears off, and they realise that their quality of life is heading south, and that living in the pit on FO salary is challenging.
Mate they can not attract pilots to one of the fastest growing airlines in the world. Now that takes a very special management style to pull off. Manning levels still are not where they need to be, and this when there have been no new deliveries for a year, and no short notice deliveries dumped on us for several years. Way to go man planning department.
Could it be things like this prove the OMA statement that "All emirates time will be considered hard time"?
Keep discovering
The Don
The 15 aircraft thing was in place when the 1st expression of interest request was made years ago.
Bus FOs were first shafted when DECs were hired. Boeing guys were being accellerated to command and Bus guys were held back. Ask White Knight and guys from his era. The reverse was true in the early 2000s, with Boeing guys being held back and Bus fellas being transferred to transition upgrades. New joiners on the Boeing now will be writing about how they are being shafted with respect command in 3 to 4 yrs time. Pilots aint smart people it seems!
EK don't care about your career. they will do whatever they want whenever they want. Has always been that way.
I am sorry this happened, but this has been discussed on these forums for a decade at least. New comers/joiners will always ask questions here, and when they get answers they don't like, they refer to EK pilots as being out of touch, and not knowing how bad it is etc etc and join anyway. Its not until the BSJS (Big Shiny Jet Syndrome) wears off, and they realise that their quality of life is heading south, and that living in the pit on FO salary is challenging.
Mate they can not attract pilots to one of the fastest growing airlines in the world. Now that takes a very special management style to pull off. Manning levels still are not where they need to be, and this when there have been no new deliveries for a year, and no short notice deliveries dumped on us for several years. Way to go man planning department.
Could it be things like this prove the OMA statement that "All emirates time will be considered hard time"?
Keep discovering
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The thing is Airbus guys have become very proficient at operating to some of the more testing ports on the sub-continent at odd times of the day.
Boeing guys are not used to this type of flying so overall it would be better for all concerned if Airbus guys just continue doing what they are used to doing and let the Boeing guys continue with the more mundane flying as found on that fleet and the 380.
Besides if Airbus guys stay on the bus it helps ensure no DECs make it onto the 380.
And as already correctly pointed out it was always planned this way so STOP CRYING!
Boeing guys are not used to this type of flying so overall it would be better for all concerned if Airbus guys just continue doing what they are used to doing and let the Boeing guys continue with the more mundane flying as found on that fleet and the 380.
Besides if Airbus guys stay on the bus it helps ensure no DECs make it onto the 380.
And as already correctly pointed out it was always planned this way so STOP CRYING!
You might be onto something there Thrash. I have noticed that all the ASRs into ADD stopped once the Boeing was taken off it. I am sure that not all the Boeing drivers are cr@p though. 
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The AB guys are now lining up at the clinic.... not through choice I might add. If there is no hope of change then things are going to get interesting.
Crewing can't or won't help with swaps, BS excuses why things can't be swapped and a roster that in the top group looks like the bottom. I can only count to 8 now as that is all I ever get off..... yes I know big boeing men, that is legal.
Angry is what is breeding, non compliance to set roster is inevitable.
Crewing can't or won't help with swaps, BS excuses why things can't be swapped and a roster that in the top group looks like the bottom. I can only count to 8 now as that is all I ever get off..... yes I know big boeing men, that is legal.
Angry is what is breeding, non compliance to set roster is inevitable.
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Ladies and gents. Classic Divide and rule. EK management must LOL reading this. Bus / Boeing , who gives a toss. We are on the same team. The issue is rostering / fatigue, and it is particularly bad on the bus. Those of us on the boeing should be interested in the busses issues because in the not too distant future they will affect the boeing fleet as well . We are on the same side here.
p.s Boeings seat sucks !
p.s Boeings seat sucks !
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Airbus...
Hey Guys if i Joined EK with 330 Rating what are chances to get onto the 380 or 777 as First Officer not interested with 330 in EK time for something new.....
sorry for thread drift....
sorry for thread drift....
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strong rumours of upgrades on 380 for F/O's as the training system cannot cope
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and it will be the business needs that drives it, nothing to do with rules or logic, way it always has been and always will be. Rules are adapted to the business, not the other way round
So they weren't real captains then smithy?
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White Night...
There are plenty of sharp FO's on the A380 who could succeed in an upgrade on type. Likewise there are several FO's that may not be ready. It's no different on the A380, A330, or 777. Some are ready, some are not. P1 time has nothing to do with it. Depends on the individual. You having training experience should understand this all too well.
I've got P1 time on types over 55 tons, but does that really make me a better pilot then my best friend who doesn't? In fact, he's probably one of the most astute lads I've ever had the pleasure of flying with. He's a very good operator and more then capable of passing any command course. No question.
I've got P1 time flying domestic in Australia and I've got plenty of P2 time flying in Europe. And to be honest, the P2 time has better prepared me for where I am today. A lot goes into making a pilots background. My point being... P1 is not the "be all and end all". The type of experience, the conditions one has flown in, and the ability/keenness of the person in question play a bigger role as far as I'm concerned.
There are plenty of sharp FO's on the A380 who could succeed in an upgrade on type. Likewise there are several FO's that may not be ready. It's no different on the A380, A330, or 777. Some are ready, some are not. P1 time has nothing to do with it. Depends on the individual. You having training experience should understand this all too well.
I've got P1 time on types over 55 tons, but does that really make me a better pilot then my best friend who doesn't? In fact, he's probably one of the most astute lads I've ever had the pleasure of flying with. He's a very good operator and more then capable of passing any command course. No question.
I've got P1 time flying domestic in Australia and I've got plenty of P2 time flying in Europe. And to be honest, the P2 time has better prepared me for where I am today. A lot goes into making a pilots background. My point being... P1 is not the "be all and end all". The type of experience, the conditions one has flown in, and the ability/keenness of the person in question play a bigger role as far as I'm concerned.