EK Pay Review. Going Going GONE!
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so what is the bottom line??
okay , perhaps this is not rocket science but that letter could be interpreted several ways..
okay - 3% step I get but the phrase -
"5% increase in the step"
this could just be "5%" of the 3% step referred to in a. hence the confusion!!
if the step was say about 1400 dhs for a captain on about 42k then 5% increase could just be of the 1400 ( like around 70 dhs) ... now I guess this is not the case but it could read that way..
I too assume that it is an increase of the basic by about a total of 8%.. lets see if that is correct.
Say what you mean and mean what you say... frankly just another bit of poor english to my antipodean brain... and a double english major , BSc and MBA haven't helped me understand exactly what they are trying to say.
An example in the email could have perhaps been a good idea... in fact the letter that I got addressed to me was a bit lacking in that I was just on a mailing list.. it didnt even know when I had joined - otherwise that bit could have been left out... not really too personal.. but they used my name like it was supposed to be...??
just a minor whinge ... really not too bad a result overall I think , but some still wont be too happy...
" a whinging pilot is a happy pilot "
O+W Wright
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okay - 3% step I get but the phrase -
"5% increase in the step"
this could just be "5%" of the 3% step referred to in a. hence the confusion!!
if the step was say about 1400 dhs for a captain on about 42k then 5% increase could just be of the 1400 ( like around 70 dhs) ... now I guess this is not the case but it could read that way..
I too assume that it is an increase of the basic by about a total of 8%.. lets see if that is correct.
Say what you mean and mean what you say... frankly just another bit of poor english to my antipodean brain... and a double english major , BSc and MBA haven't helped me understand exactly what they are trying to say.
An example in the email could have perhaps been a good idea... in fact the letter that I got addressed to me was a bit lacking in that I was just on a mailing list.. it didnt even know when I had joined - otherwise that bit could have been left out... not really too personal.. but they used my name like it was supposed to be...??
just a minor whinge ... really not too bad a result overall I think , but some still wont be too happy...
" a whinging pilot is a happy pilot "
O+W Wright
WJA
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Saying it is a typographical error suggests the typist made the mistake. I expect a secretary typed up the letter as dictated by TCAS and therefore the error is not likely a typographical mistake it is a grammatical error and/or a wording error.
If it is a typographical error then TCAS is suggesting he typed it himself and therefore has shown he isn't even worth a secretary's salary as he should have proof read his work before distributing it to the entire pilot workforce.
Furthermore, a secretary doesn't get 4x bonus - and neither should he!
If it is a typographical error then TCAS is suggesting he typed it himself and therefore has shown he isn't even worth a secretary's salary as he should have proof read his work before distributing it to the entire pilot workforce.
Furthermore, a secretary doesn't get 4x bonus - and neither should he!
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It was a simple mistake, you guys are being a bit hard on TCAS. He probably wrote it at 3:30 in the after noon, just before going home after a long shift where he had to stay awake all through the day. Those front of the clock office duties are a killer. I bet he was at the end of 5 days straight of the same pattern before his 2 legal days off in 7. We have all been there, fatigue makes you do funny things, cut him some slack...
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Smoke and Mirrors
I am willing to stick my neck out and state that woodja51 was correct in his assumption. I have gone over the letter and its amendment several times and am of the firm belief that this is a 3% step increase and the value of each step has been increased by the grand total of 5%. ie, if your basic salary is AED34,000, your 3% step increase would be AED1,020, but in their generosity they have decided to "increase the value of each step" by 5%. An increase of 5% on AED1,020 is AED51.00.
So all those people who think they are getting 8% or more, are deluded, which is probably what the Management want them to be. Don't you think that if they were offering you 8%, they would say that, giving themselves a big pat on the back for being so generous. As it is, they are sitting in their big offices chuckling at the mass confusion amongst their pilots and future pilots, that is, for another 14 days, until we get our pay packets.... then all will become apparent.
My advice is, boys don't take out any big loans based on your big pay increases! Go enjoy an extra Costa Coffee instead!
So all those people who think they are getting 8% or more, are deluded, which is probably what the Management want them to be. Don't you think that if they were offering you 8%, they would say that, giving themselves a big pat on the back for being so generous. As it is, they are sitting in their big offices chuckling at the mass confusion amongst their pilots and future pilots, that is, for another 14 days, until we get our pay packets.... then all will become apparent.
My advice is, boys don't take out any big loans based on your big pay increases! Go enjoy an extra Costa Coffee instead!
C'mon!
BOF
So all those people who think they are getting 8% or more, are deluded,
I would like you to undertake right now that if you recieve your pay this month, and the basic is 8.15% more than you recieved last month, you will come back on PROON and admit you're a fool.
If it's only 3. whatever, I undertake here and now to do the same.
on our pay increase at Engineering is deafening, anybody have news on that. 
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Well all I can say is this; if I flew an approach in as 'dodgy' and unprofessional manner as that with which our pay review has been conducted so far then EK would have fired me for sure!
Whether 3% or 8% (or even 8.15%!) is given, the letter appears to state that it is 3% and then a further 5% is added to the value of the step (making it 3.15% in my book) - gentlemen, we are not, collectively, stupid but if 2500 pilots cannot sort out and agree what the letter (mark 2, don't forget!) means then the problem lies with the authoring of it and somebody needs a slapping! And we need urgent clarification.
If it is 3.15% then it is woefully short of what is required.....
Whether 3% or 8% (or even 8.15%!) is given, the letter appears to state that it is 3% and then a further 5% is added to the value of the step (making it 3.15% in my book) - gentlemen, we are not, collectively, stupid but if 2500 pilots cannot sort out and agree what the letter (mark 2, don't forget!) means then the problem lies with the authoring of it and somebody needs a slapping! And we need urgent clarification.
If it is 3.15% then it is woefully short of what is required.....
The meaning was quite clear to anyone not manically commited to seeing the worst in every thing.
There are ten steps. They are each 3% larger than the one below them. Each step is worth 5% more than it was. If you are not on the top step, and have been here more than six months, you move onto the next one up.
Anyone care to bet me the difference between 3.15 and 8.15% of their pay for the next year that that is the case?
Answer me this Smiffy- Apply the letter to people here less than six months who don't go up a step, and guys already on the top step- what will their pay increase be?
There are ten steps. They are each 3% larger than the one below them. Each step is worth 5% more than it was. If you are not on the top step, and have been here more than six months, you move onto the next one up.
Anyone care to bet me the difference between 3.15 and 8.15% of their pay for the next year that that is the case?
Answer me this Smiffy- Apply the letter to people here less than six months who don't go up a step, and guys already on the top step- what will their pay increase be?
Yeah, I am disappointed an adjustment to the productivity threshold doesn't even seem to be on the agenda.
It was adjusted during a crisis- only fair it be restored or at least lowered somewhere fair now we're making record profits again.
It was adjusted during a crisis- only fair it be restored or at least lowered somewhere fair now we're making record profits again.
Fack,
Yes, what you say regarding the recruiting crisis is pretty much right.
He also stated that only about 10% of pilots actually got prop day, but of course now 100% WOULD under the old threshold.
No question it was a case of getting a lot more work for no more pay because they could, and I've never stated otherwise.
How does me criticizing what I see as something unfair gain you ire here?
Yes, what you say regarding the recruiting crisis is pretty much right.
He also stated that only about 10% of pilots actually got prop day, but of course now 100% WOULD under the old threshold.
No question it was a case of getting a lot more work for no more pay because they could, and I've never stated otherwise.
How does me criticizing what I see as something unfair gain you ire here?
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For Heaven's sake! Can't someone simply publish the old Table of Steps and the New Table of steps which are now increased by 5%! On this new Table of Steps move one step up from where you were on the old Table of Steps (They increase by 3% each step)