EK A380 crews need not fear Indian turnarounds!
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777 : Noisy as hell, but with fewer seats in J the meal service is quick. The seats suck though as its impossible to sleep unless you are laying on your back. ICE is pretty much the same. Y on the 777 can be described as hell on a long haul over night flight.
380 : The beds are narrower but Full Flat beats everything. Its a pleasure to sleep on. Despite the fact that you are sitting in a tupperware box ( yes acres of plastic boxes ) with your feet in a hole in front of you. Meal service can test anyones patience, sometimes it is possible to take a nap between courses. Its quite, extremely quite when compared to the 777. But god help you if you are at the very back and someone decides to have a party in the bar. ( yep a certain flyertalk member is famous for the booze fest in the back )
To sum it up if it was not for the seats, would prefer the 777 over the 380 despite the noisy cabin. All I wanna do is eat as fast as possible if needed and sleep, hard to achieve that on a full A380.
777 : Noisy as hell, but with fewer seats in J the meal service is quick. The seats suck though as its impossible to sleep unless you are laying on your back. ICE is pretty much the same. Y on the 777 can be described as hell on a long haul over night flight.
380 : The beds are narrower but Full Flat beats everything. Its a pleasure to sleep on. Despite the fact that you are sitting in a tupperware box ( yes acres of plastic boxes ) with your feet in a hole in front of you. Meal service can test anyones patience, sometimes it is possible to take a nap between courses. Its quite, extremely quite when compared to the 777. But god help you if you are at the very back and someone decides to have a party in the bar. ( yep a certain flyertalk member is famous for the booze fest in the back )
To sum it up if it was not for the seats, would prefer the 777 over the 380 despite the noisy cabin. All I wanna do is eat as fast as possible if needed and sleep, hard to achieve that on a full A380.
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not replying to any of the posts here in particular
but here is something that the rest of us who don't get to sit infront/behind of bulletproof doors at the pointy end think An Open Letter To The EK Community - FlyerTalk Forums
380,777 or seats is immaterial , when the product you lot are hawking is being consistently devalued by "desk drivers" at your company. The title of that post is "An Open Letter To The EK Community"
EGGW please moderate this post as you see fit, I was merely referring to their favorite brand of soup, that some of them eat everyday ( see image below )
but here is something that the rest of us who don't get to sit infront/behind of bulletproof doors at the pointy end think An Open Letter To The EK Community - FlyerTalk Forums
380,777 or seats is immaterial , when the product you lot are hawking is being consistently devalued by "desk drivers" at your company. The title of that post is "An Open Letter To The EK Community"
EGGW please moderate this post as you see fit, I was merely referring to their favorite brand of soup, that some of them eat everyday ( see image below )
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EK has one of the best global marketing departments outside of McDonalds and Coca-Cola.
The largest revenue earner per annum for world-wide TV networks is sport and EK sponsors the majority of world sports.
Sports events unite the world. The A380 unites the world.
The world watches sport.
Sport is image.
EK is image. The A380 is image.
There is none larger and there will be none larger for years to come. 787 and 747x = no. A350 = no
Go to FRA and look at the Lufthansa 380's lined up; impressive. Head off to CDG and look at the Air France 380's lined up; impressive. Go down under and look at the Quantas 380's lined up; impressive. When BA get their 380's for LHR, it will be equally as impressive. From a marketing perspective, they make the 777's (and most other a/c) look like regionals.
When your load factor is an high as EK's, some extra kilos to maintain the global image is a price worth paying. You can't argue with profit.
The largest revenue earner per annum for world-wide TV networks is sport and EK sponsors the majority of world sports.
Sports events unite the world. The A380 unites the world.
The world watches sport.
Sport is image.
EK is image. The A380 is image.
There is none larger and there will be none larger for years to come. 787 and 747x = no. A350 = no
Go to FRA and look at the Lufthansa 380's lined up; impressive. Head off to CDG and look at the Air France 380's lined up; impressive. Go down under and look at the Quantas 380's lined up; impressive. When BA get their 380's for LHR, it will be equally as impressive. From a marketing perspective, they make the 777's (and most other a/c) look like regionals.
When your load factor is an high as EK's, some extra kilos to maintain the global image is a price worth paying. You can't argue with profit.
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I just recently watched 'Jurassic Park' again on TV.
The line-up of Brontosaurs and Tyrannosaurs was impressive.
They dwarfed any other creatures, younger or older.
They're extinc now, unlike some younger or older.
The line-up of Brontosaurs and Tyrannosaurs was impressive.
They dwarfed any other creatures, younger or older.
They're extinc now, unlike some younger or older.
VC10's get my vote lined up at LHR back in the 70's. Even GF's standard VC 10's looked good at BAH.
I thought they only had a couple each.
Go to FRA and look at the Lufthansa 380's lined up; impressive. Head off to CDG and look at the Air France 380's lined up; impressive.
Rumor has it than when the big boss of CX was asked why we haven't ordered the 380 he replied "do you guys know how much more payload the 380 takes over the 777 on our typical routes? 7 tonnes extra is all, not worth its 200 tonne extra weight and fuel burn"
CX should know a thing or three..............
CX should know a thing or three..............
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Just as Qantas didn't order ANY (NOT ONE!!) 777.
Why? Old technology. (Dixon)
Qantas should know a thing or four, it is Qantas after all. But clearly don't.
777 v 380 = Fuel, tonnage blah blah.
Airport capacity constraint anyone?
As with most things in life, maybe the answer lies in between the absolutes.
Why? Old technology. (Dixon)
Qantas should know a thing or four, it is Qantas after all. But clearly don't.
777 v 380 = Fuel, tonnage blah blah.
Airport capacity constraint anyone?
As with most things in life, maybe the answer lies in between the absolutes.
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i'm a bit surprised to read this fuel/tonnage stuff and I'm equally surprised to see fellow pilots not having a clue how precious a slot time into LHR/JFK etc is. Has anyone a slightest clue what the cost to obtain a slot is?
Into LHR peak slot is valued at sterling 30 million.
Into LHR peak slot is valued at sterling 30 million.
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Nobody is denying the cost advantage of a big one vs. a smaller one in terms of slots, overflight charges, crewing, turn-around cost, if you sum it up vs. passengers and revenue.
Another cost factor is the price of the airframe and the after sales conditions. Emirates made an enormous deal with Airbus when they negotiated price as launching customer. As they took even more airframes off the Toulouse tarmac, ones others deferred taking, they additionally got some numbers with payments deferred for many months! Airbus was grateful, the 380 production could eventually be started and they didn't mind too much about the killer-discount any normal company would never be able to sustain - they passed it on - thank you very much dear European taxpayer!
Emirates are no fools, neither are the HK Chinese. Both have profitable airlines. The difference is that EK came early and audaciously ordered a huge number of mammouths and received an enourmous discount. This allows them to operate it for many years in the profit zone. Any other company having to pay closer to the sticker price therefore calculates more to the effective operating costs and might go for the more economic solution, like CX with the T7.
Considering this, we understand that EK is happy with the A380. It's a fine product. I simply guess that when the effect of the discount starts fading out the joy will fade with it. Any future crisis, and there will be one, will see the mammouth reduced as the very first. Hopefully this takes time!
In the mean time just accept that even if the A380 seems profitable, at least for EK, it is plain and simply NOT more fuel efficient as the industry leader T7. That's all I am pretending.
Another cost factor is the price of the airframe and the after sales conditions. Emirates made an enormous deal with Airbus when they negotiated price as launching customer. As they took even more airframes off the Toulouse tarmac, ones others deferred taking, they additionally got some numbers with payments deferred for many months! Airbus was grateful, the 380 production could eventually be started and they didn't mind too much about the killer-discount any normal company would never be able to sustain - they passed it on - thank you very much dear European taxpayer!
Emirates are no fools, neither are the HK Chinese. Both have profitable airlines. The difference is that EK came early and audaciously ordered a huge number of mammouths and received an enourmous discount. This allows them to operate it for many years in the profit zone. Any other company having to pay closer to the sticker price therefore calculates more to the effective operating costs and might go for the more economic solution, like CX with the T7.
Considering this, we understand that EK is happy with the A380. It's a fine product. I simply guess that when the effect of the discount starts fading out the joy will fade with it. Any future crisis, and there will be one, will see the mammouth reduced as the very first. Hopefully this takes time!
In the mean time just accept that even if the A380 seems profitable, at least for EK, it is plain and simply NOT more fuel efficient as the industry leader T7. That's all I am pretending.
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A380...
I editted him mey be know you under stand it
As of 3 July 2007 41.63% of EADS stock is publicly traded on six European stock exchanges, while the remaining 58.37% is owned by a Contractural Partnership".[32] The latter is owned by SOGEADE (27.38%), Daimler AG (22.41%), SEPI (5.46%) and Dubai Holding (3.12%).[33]
Aabar Investments, whose major stakeholder is wholly-owned by the Abu Dhabi government, will pump €1.95bn (£1.8bn) into the company ( Daimler AG) which also manufactures trucks.
Airbus 380 is a piece of ****e,
They always justa take monney from one pockat and put in oter pockat .They hare camal fokkeres with petroddolars. Clear?
As of 3 July 2007 41.63% of EADS stock is publicly traded on six European stock exchanges, while the remaining 58.37% is owned by a Contractural Partnership".[32] The latter is owned by SOGEADE (27.38%), Daimler AG (22.41%), SEPI (5.46%) and Dubai Holding (3.12%).[33]
Aabar Investments, whose major stakeholder is wholly-owned by the Abu Dhabi government, will pump €1.95bn (£1.8bn) into the company ( Daimler AG) which also manufactures trucks.
Airbus 380 is a piece of ****e,
They always justa take monney from one pockat and put in oter pockat .They hare camal fokkeres with petroddolars. Clear?
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sheikmyarse, when you sober up, could you please send that post through a Google Translator so that someone can understand what you're getting at. It's not that I disagree with you, it's that I haven't the foggiest what you're saying...
