EK A380 crews need not fear Indian turnarounds!
 

Really?

This is a ploy by the 'clever' indian politicians to extract some of EK's profits out of any 380 ops it will do.

There will be 380 turns to india....

Sonny-

Why do speak with such authority?

Do only 2 class 777's do turnarounds?

Do A380's do turnarounds already?

No authority req'd.

Furthermore,

The mere fact it is in the press and the indians are 'reacting' to it probably indicates it is closer than you think...

Oh no...No Indian turns....How sad:}

Just keep denying it. That'll work.

Sonny, A3Lately-800 driver is just upset that in another 2 years when he has to go back to the A330 for 6 months before his upgrade, he will be banished to Indian turnarounds for the forseeable future. He really needs to stop saying Super all the time on the radio because he sounds like a ********....!! Now, lets see where your flying today:ok:

:}:*:}



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Hey Speedbrake, where's the logic in this:

21APR OMDB - KJFK

A380 13hours 11 mins
Cost Index 180
ECON Cruise
TRIP Fuel 176.0 tonnes
Passengers 489
Payload 54.8 tonnes

B77W 13 Hours & 13 mins
Cost Index 35
ECON Cruise
Trip Fuel 111.1
Passengers 360
Payload 48.8 tonnes

Both Aircraft @ MTOW

So the A380 carried 6 tonnes more payload and burnt an extra 65 tonnes fuel!!

Yeah but bypass ,

A380 its carrying another A320 worth of passengers to New York .It has 34 extra Business class seats , 6 extra First Class seats , 89 extra economy seats and 6 tons extra freight .When full it has to have a superior yield .Its always full

All for only 5 tons an hour extra fuel! There is no comparison in passenger comfort . Its the new brand for Emirates . Passengers prefer the A380 .

Sounds pretty good to me.

cuberoute--I agree--except with regards to pax comfort. Biz class is far superior on the 777. The 380 biz seats are cramped and poorly designed. Sit in economy on the 380 and see how long it takes to get a service and for the cleanup afterward.

If you go by numbers, then it's still not impressive.

360kgs of fuel per pax on the fatboy, versus 308kgs per pax on the T7.
And apart from that 6 tons of remaining load for freight on the fatboy versus 12 on the T7.

The fatboy was planned to do the westcoast, it still can't reach it. It has been planned to uplift masses from the subcontinent, down there they are intentionally slow to build up the compatible infrastructure. At the moment it is doomed to fly routes that make it look very thirsty.

How the beancounters show more profit on the 380 remains a mystery to me. Especially when considering how many customers have paied Y and have been upgraded with miles or simply because of overbooking in the back.

EK does not have the rights to adding unlimited number of seats to India , has to be approved by the Indian Gov.
330 to 777 to 380 would make sense as the approval comes in.
West coast on the 380 is planned when the 21Ton increase in T/O weight is approved.
EK says the 380 is a big money maker someone must be right or i forgot EK has all those pilots who know better the marketing team.

Trader surely you jest?
How can you compare a 777 business class seat that lies at 170˚ crunching your b*lls when you slide down the seat after an hours sleep to the 380's 180˚ flat bed? The 380's bed while narrow is more comfortable. Thats without even mentioning the bar in the back that halves a passengers perceived flying time. The 777 is a fantastic machine but lets face it, from a passenger (and EK) perspective the 380 is a winner - and yes that applies to economy too, the seats are wider, the recline better and ICE has more to offer.

Guys... You are not comparing apples with apples. The 777 has neither shower spas, nor lounges and bars. If you do the numbers for a high density all Y 777 ~450 seats against a high density A380 ~900 seats the economics become clearer. You need TWO 777s to move the same number of bodies.

Jeez you guys, honestly:ugh:

For those 'B777 is better/cheaper to run than the A380' preachers, don't you think you'd better pass on your immense wisdom to senior management? I mean clearly you have the 'bigger picture' and have access to ALL the data required to make your assumptions........

Quick, tell TC before we take A380 number 16 of 90 (and probably a whole lot more) as surely your wise technical data is something he hasn't considered when ordering the worlds most expensive airliner!!:rolleyes:

Think about it chaps..... This company may not treat us particularly well at times, but they are damned good at making money, and IF the A380 is the white elephant you guys intimate it is, then clearly the company wouldn't have ordered half a billion of the things??????

three eighty--just personal choice! 777 biz is more comfortable for me and I know a few others (a few banker friends who travel constantly) who agree. The 380 biz class is a SQUEEZE when it is reclined.

The bar on the 380 is great!!!! I enjoy it, that is for sure. But on the flights I have been on only a half dozen or so seem to use it!

Economy is economy!!! I certainly didn't notice the seat differences. What I did notice is the length of the service and how long we sat there with the 'empties'!!!! This is a complaint of everyone I know who has travelled on it.

In 1st the shower is, as I understand it, very popular.

In the end the 380 is popular with pax because it is still a novalty. It IS quiet though!!!!!!

I know its apples compared to Granny Smith, but hey, its fun to compare, isn't it?

Sure enough the 380 product is better. But you can add a shower, a bar and insulate a T7 to match the 380 - and it will guzzle as much fuel with the same comfort.

Then for the more math prone: If you take the JFK numbers and compare 2 380 flights with 3 T7 flights .... the two 380s burn 352t, the three T7 only 333t, BUT they would haul 100 people plus 18t freight more. How about that?

But basically such comparisons are bs, in the end it's the doe that counts.
I agree that management might not be stupid and are on top of the numbers.
This said I will wait for the comments of all the fervent defenders of the 380 when the company will start lamenting about the rising fuel cost (which bird swallows more???) and use this to make us work even harder and pay us even less.

To me economy on fuel (ratio of the stuff used vs. payload) will become the major issue when it rockets up more than 150$ a barrel. Notwithstanding the environmental issue.
The 380 may have set new comfort standards, but in terms of burn it is a step backwards.
As mentioned, if they can increase the TOW by 21 tons, it will start looking slightly more logical.

I admit that the passenger appeal is there. I enjoy First Class on the A380 for the following reasons:

It's comfortable,
It's very quiet, &
The bar is an awsome area to pass the time & meet people.

Personally, I think the shower spa is a gimmick, but that's just me.

I know it sounds like another slinging match between Airbus & Boeing devotees but when you look at the flight plans, the numbers, the payload, the range, the infrastructure required, the Boeing 777-300ER prints money for Emirates almost regardless of whether it's completely full or half empty.

You may point to EK management making right decisions and earning the big bucks for the company, but have you ever thought beyond and looked at the complete MENA (Middle East Nations) attitude of wanting bigger, brighter and newer without proper decison making and planning? I don't think EK is immune to this thinking and personally, I think Emirates have made the wrong decision on numbers ordered with the A380 in its future expansion plans. It will definitely forsee a niche in the market but a monumental mis-management decision has been made on this aircraft.

I. Can't. Have. My. Own. Facts.

What does that actually mean?

This post is hilarious. I mean, are we really squabbling about 10 degrees of j class lie flatness?

Talk about :ugh: