Why are so many EK FO's failing the upgrade interviews?
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Garlic and cheese and a glass of red Bordeaux any day instead of a Yorkshire pudding with over-or undercooked vegetables and pint of warm p1ssbeer without the foam, Oblaas. And you don`t need outboard engines for that floating museum of yours, it's already pulled towards the other continent by sheer magnetism.
(Actually I could have gone much further and talk about subjects outside this forum which give away the tremendous weaknesses of a people that drives on the wrong side of the road and still think they are right about everything, but I won't do that. Not now.)
Funny that training philosophy differences comes with culture. Ancient versus innovative, progressive.
Same goes for EK, stuck in a retrospective airline culture, a business plan stolen from the first world carriers(you didn't know this, the business units ek has, engineering, flight ops etc. get a budget each year after negotiating and have to make a profit on that budget. This is still the most ancient bus. plan around and has never been changed. It has been proved wrong), the same ones that now have superior training systems.
Saying that you have a non punitive reporting system, a 'wonderful' career for Fo's, a low power distance in the flight deck and doing the opposite, is not very noble. Nor professional.
(Actually I could have gone much further and talk about subjects outside this forum which give away the tremendous weaknesses of a people that drives on the wrong side of the road and still think they are right about everything, but I won't do that. Not now.)Funny that training philosophy differences comes with culture. Ancient versus innovative, progressive.
Same goes for EK, stuck in a retrospective airline culture, a business plan stolen from the first world carriers(you didn't know this, the business units ek has, engineering, flight ops etc. get a budget each year after negotiating and have to make a profit on that budget. This is still the most ancient bus. plan around and has never been changed. It has been proved wrong), the same ones that now have superior training systems.
Saying that you have a non punitive reporting system, a 'wonderful' career for Fo's, a low power distance in the flight deck and doing the opposite, is not very noble. Nor professional.
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Actually Don, Lefty joined several months before the 55t change. So having gone from a 4-5 year estimate to upgrade, he's now looking at 6-7 years. Its gonna cost him a lot of cash and extra time spent in cattle class, so he has every right to be pized off along with many others in his shoes.
Sadly without the benefit of a crystal ball, it was not possible to see the Melbourne incident coming along with the unjustifiable knee jerks that followed!
Sadly without the benefit of a crystal ball, it was not possible to see the Melbourne incident coming along with the unjustifiable knee jerks that followed!
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Varmint...
Really!! I dont get your logic. More money and days off and "idiot shXt trainers will leave"???? What a gentleman you are.
I see you have a serious problem with logic thinking.
I do agree that trainer should NOT have the worst schedules. Then again these days trainers are not allowed to leave training. Leave training is also leaving Emirates!
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Trainers at EK should get 13 guaranteed days off, the pay should be increased, and the quality of life should be well above that of the normal line pilot. That is the only way we are going to get rid of these idiot **** trainers who get in only because of the power of the position.
I see you have a serious problem with logic thinking.
I do agree that trainer should NOT have the worst schedules. Then again these days trainers are not allowed to leave training. Leave training is also leaving Emirates!
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so he has every right to be pized off along with many others in his shoes.
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who can answer me this:let say if you are on the 380 and called for the interview process for an upgrade on the 330,are you going to be interviewed by the 330 or 380 chief pilot?for the tech quiz is it about general quetions or 330 or 380 related questions?
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is it about general quetions or 330 or 380 related questions?
Any CP or DCP can do your interview irrespective of fleet.
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What an interesting and really amusing read. Laughed out loud several times. Thanks fellas.
Pity the issue of ethnic discrimination didn't generate more response but I guess there isn't that much known.
I started this thread because several friends of mine who are more junior in years with ek are having trouble and it seemed suspicious to me that they were all from a non english speaking background. Ok it is only my circle of friends and not a proper survey but it is odd, I won't elaborate in order to preserve anonymity.
To wet behind the.. Sorry wet v whatever: All your assumptions about my rank, nationality, grades etc are completely wrong. On a personal note, my goodness, what a courteous and respectful fellow you are, it must be a pleasure for the FO's who fly with you. Wake up and take a look at yourself.
Cheers fellas, thanks for the good gen and the laughs.
Pity the issue of ethnic discrimination didn't generate more response but I guess there isn't that much known.
I started this thread because several friends of mine who are more junior in years with ek are having trouble and it seemed suspicious to me that they were all from a non english speaking background. Ok it is only my circle of friends and not a proper survey but it is odd, I won't elaborate in order to preserve anonymity.
To wet behind the.. Sorry wet v whatever: All your assumptions about my rank, nationality, grades etc are completely wrong. On a personal note, my goodness, what a courteous and respectful fellow you are, it must be a pleasure for the FO's who fly with you. Wake up and take a look at yourself.
Cheers fellas, thanks for the good gen and the laughs.
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Pilots aren't discriminated against because of their skin colour, ethnic origin, religion, what football team they support.........
The most likely reason they failed is due to a lack of command of the English language. No matter how bloody good a pilot you are, if you can't communicate effectively, how can you expect to manage the operation as a Captain?
The most likely reason they failed is due to a lack of command of the English language. No matter how bloody good a pilot you are, if you can't communicate effectively, how can you expect to manage the operation as a Captain?
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On a sobering note...
The interview pass rate is 58% on 1st attempt.
The percentage of FO's who are going from the very beginning of the process (tech, psych, CDT) to passing final ALC after training without any hitch whatsoever - is roughly 20%
That is not to say that 20% are making it on-line, its more. But hitch free - 1 in 5.
What an unmitigated systemic failure of the training system.
Shambolic - and a disturbing message to those who are considering joining.
f.
PS the sources on the above are solid, in fact just ask fleet admin.
The interview pass rate is 58% on 1st attempt.
The percentage of FO's who are going from the very beginning of the process (tech, psych, CDT) to passing final ALC after training without any hitch whatsoever - is roughly 20%
That is not to say that 20% are making it on-line, its more. But hitch free - 1 in 5.
What an unmitigated systemic failure of the training system.
Shambolic - and a disturbing message to those who are considering joining.
f.
PS the sources on the above are solid, in fact just ask fleet admin.
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suck it up gents.
When i flew for the air force there were roughly 6000 applications for every 20 seats. 0.3% pass rate. no matter how good you were 20 seats were the cut off and filled, period.
I'd say out of the 6000, 5000 would be "fit" to be commercial pilots.
When i flew for the air force there were roughly 6000 applications for every 20 seats. 0.3% pass rate. no matter how good you were 20 seats were the cut off and filled, period.
I'd say out of the 6000, 5000 would be "fit" to be commercial pilots.
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One does have to have a cathartic chuckle at the fact that the Co. on realising that no TRI's were going for TRE's because of the psych, tech, HR interview process, abandoned it altogether in order to get the candidates....and so for the first time and due to popular demand...the process has changed for TRE applicants.
Quote: "Some people dont interview that well".
Kinda funny how the the people who are tasked with arguably the company's most important safety and training tasks and who are considered the highest of professionalism, talent and experience...completely rejected the cornerstone of the process of advancing from a given position...and were duly obliged.
Do I hear credibility?
teehee.
Quote: "Some people dont interview that well".
Kinda funny how the the people who are tasked with arguably the company's most important safety and training tasks and who are considered the highest of professionalism, talent and experience...completely rejected the cornerstone of the process of advancing from a given position...and were duly obliged.
Do I hear credibility?
teehee.
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Fliion, so this new TRE thing, does it mean we will get more head strong, anally retentive, overly ambitious, brown nosing FOs with no prior command experience getting upgraded then accelerated into training with little time on the line, then ending up as TREs preaching to us all - or did he leave already!!!!
We have some exceptional trainers here (and some not so good ones as well) however most at least have some experience, I would just like some common sense applied during selection and training so this can be passed on.
We all know when we see someone during training that has a good grasp on the what is needed in the LHS or at least has potential . I'm not talking about the flying, if you can't do it by the time you upgrade then thats a bigger problem. I'm talking about common sense, if those coming for upgrade don't have it then surely they should be given some direction by someone with experience!!!
We have some exceptional trainers here (and some not so good ones as well) however most at least have some experience, I would just like some common sense applied during selection and training so this can be passed on.
We all know when we see someone during training that has a good grasp on the what is needed in the LHS or at least has potential . I'm not talking about the flying, if you can't do it by the time you upgrade then thats a bigger problem. I'm talking about common sense, if those coming for upgrade don't have it then surely they should be given some direction by someone with experience!!!
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Mini,
I'm not knocking the trainers...I haven't come across anything but good trainers (had a couple of guys with reps - and it was a non event).
Just a little word of sympathy for the 42% who do not pass interview - just like with potential TRE's, they may not interview well.
Clearly some should fail - but beyond the bell curve - not so sure.
f.
I'm not knocking the trainers...I haven't come across anything but good trainers (had a couple of guys with reps - and it was a non event).
Just a little word of sympathy for the 42% who do not pass interview - just like with potential TRE's, they may not interview well.
Clearly some should fail - but beyond the bell curve - not so sure.
f.
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good TRE's, especially on the 380, freddie k. is axing lots of captains lately, his wife brags that lots of guys call sick when they have him on their rosters. what a tosser
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It seems like an emirates natural law. The higher you look, the lesser the qualities required for the lower group get applied.
Would anybody bet only a fraction of the upcoming huuuuuge profit share that morons like SP or AAR would pass a psychometric test or any other test assessing common sense? I guess not one poor soul.
Climbing the ladder at EK unfortunately disqualifies.
Would anybody bet only a fraction of the upcoming huuuuuge profit share that morons like SP or AAR would pass a psychometric test or any other test assessing common sense? I guess not one poor soul.
Climbing the ladder at EK unfortunately disqualifies.
flion,
You are being a little selective in your appraisal of the change in TRE selection.
You quote one line out of a long paragraph.
We are short of TREs, largely because it is currently a crumby job with lousy rosters.
The company asked a lot of TRIs directly if they'd take the upgrade, only to then inform that, if they wanted to do this admittedly crumby job and take an even further degredation of life stye, they would have, on two days off, to attend the Psychs (and do exactley the same tests they did to become TRI), do a tech quiz, present a brief and interview before a board.
A goodly number told them to jam it!
SO they decided it was sufficient to judge someones suitability as a TRE by observing their performance as a TRI.
Kinda fair enough I would have thought...
You are being a little selective in your appraisal of the change in TRE selection.
You quote one line out of a long paragraph.
We are short of TREs, largely because it is currently a crumby job with lousy rosters.
The company asked a lot of TRIs directly if they'd take the upgrade, only to then inform that, if they wanted to do this admittedly crumby job and take an even further degredation of life stye, they would have, on two days off, to attend the Psychs (and do exactley the same tests they did to become TRI), do a tech quiz, present a brief and interview before a board.
A goodly number told them to jam it!
SO they decided it was sufficient to judge someones suitability as a TRE by observing their performance as a TRI.
Kinda fair enough I would have thought...
