One more roadshow......
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One more roadshow......
Ek will be in the UK for one more road-show the last week of Feb........
I do not understand, TCAS stated that they have plenty of applicants ......
if so what is the reason of these roadshows????????
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I do not understand, TCAS stated that they have plenty of applicants ......
if so what is the reason of these roadshows????????
Flare
short flights long nights
To the same places over and over again...lots of applicants??????
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Where are the applicants going to come from? As I understand it the US, UK and European markets are picking up as economies improve and retirements start to take effect. What would be needed to attract a qualified pilot with a good job to go to the ME?
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Lots of applicants? Sure, plenty on the books, but in about two weeks there is virtually NO-ONE in the pool with the required experience.
This is NOT rumour. It's a fact. (don't ask for the source, I would not divulge it!) Recruitment is in as much crisis as training, fleet, and just about every other department in the cmpany. Will anything be done about it before the end of the financial year?...not a hope, because of course nothing extra will be spent from individual budgets for fear of a loss of profit share for those cost centre managers who benefit most from the profit scheme.
What will probably happen is the hours requirement (or at least the specific breakdown of those hours) will change again to qualify a few more people within existing applicants.
One of the problems recruitment now have is people "in the pool" are simply not prepared to take such a lot of time of work from their existing employer (at short notice)to come all the way to Dubai for a 43% chance of passing the recruitment interview. Lots of innovative ideas being considered in recruitment to try to solve that problem. One of the many problems they have, is convincing propective FOs that staying on first year salaries for three or four years is a great idea..perhaps they need to bring back the step scheme now that the company is swimming in money.
This is NOT rumour. It's a fact. (don't ask for the source, I would not divulge it!) Recruitment is in as much crisis as training, fleet, and just about every other department in the cmpany. Will anything be done about it before the end of the financial year?...not a hope, because of course nothing extra will be spent from individual budgets for fear of a loss of profit share for those cost centre managers who benefit most from the profit scheme.
What will probably happen is the hours requirement (or at least the specific breakdown of those hours) will change again to qualify a few more people within existing applicants.
One of the problems recruitment now have is people "in the pool" are simply not prepared to take such a lot of time of work from their existing employer (at short notice)to come all the way to Dubai for a 43% chance of passing the recruitment interview. Lots of innovative ideas being considered in recruitment to try to solve that problem. One of the many problems they have, is convincing propective FOs that staying on first year salaries for three or four years is a great idea..perhaps they need to bring back the step scheme now that the company is swimming in money.
short flights long nights
To make it make sense...I should have ended my last post (number2) by saying..."lots of applicants??? with experience???...I dont think so"
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There is the difference from having applicants on the books and those willing to leave a secure job during insecure times.
TCAS and EK are reaping what they've sowed and are finding it hard to sell an average airline, with a poor regard for it's pilots, to a wiser more sceptical audience...
TCAS and EK are reaping what they've sowed and are finding it hard to sell an average airline, with a poor regard for it's pilots, to a wiser more sceptical audience...
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I got an e-mail invitation to attend a road show in the UK. I wonder what I should reply. I've been at Ek 8 years now.
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I can do better than dirigible...
Many, many years ago before one had to run the EK/Stasi gauntlet before upgrading, one merely waited one's seniority turn until a beautiful gold-tinged letter appeared in one's mail inviting one to upgrade.
Standing by the ops center pilot mailboxes one day, a colleague standing alongside shouted "got my upgrade letter!" He ripped it open and indeed found a lovely embossed letter from the company which said "Dear xxxxx, thank-you for your interest in Emirates but we cannot offer you a position with Emirates at this time".
Not only had he been with the company 5 years at that point, the letter was mailed to him using his Emirates address. He has it framed above his bar now - nice conversation piece when the topic turns to Emirates' efficiencies.
Standing by the ops center pilot mailboxes one day, a colleague standing alongside shouted "got my upgrade letter!" He ripped it open and indeed found a lovely embossed letter from the company which said "Dear xxxxx, thank-you for your interest in Emirates but we cannot offer you a position with Emirates at this time".
Not only had he been with the company 5 years at that point, the letter was mailed to him using his Emirates address. He has it framed above his bar now - nice conversation piece when the topic turns to Emirates' efficiencies.
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EK can keep trying as hard as they possibly can but the outcome is going to be the same until and unless they mend their stupid ways. I am reminded of Einstein's definition of insanity:
" Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
If Einstein's was here today, he would certainly have had a great laugh.
" Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
If Einstein's was here today, he would certainly have had a great laugh.
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Many, many years ago ......one merely waited one's seniority turn .......Not only had he been with the company 5 years at that point
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Was with two EK First Officers today who became enraged to find out the starting pay on the company website was the same they are currently making after 18 months with the company. How's that for a gotchya!
Hate to say it desertflyer but those chaps would not appear to be very bright or observant. Are they on the Boeing? If they joined end of 2009, 18 months ago, they should have known that they were then going to be on the same pay then as those that joined on or after 1st April 2008. Were they enraged then for those that started 18 months before them? Or is that somehow different?
I do loose interest when new joiners start complaining about things that were already happening when they joined. There is plenty of data here and elsewhere to enable a informed decision. If they were happy with the terms and conditions when they signed on, they need to man up and accept their decision about those terms and conditions in the future.
Lets guess, they will get all upset and surprised when we get yet another pay cut, or the upgrade criteria changes again next.
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I do loose interest when new joiners start complaining about things that were already happening when they joined. There is plenty of data here and elsewhere to enable a informed decision. If they were happy with the terms and conditions when they signed on, they need to man up and accept their decision about those terms and conditions in the future.
Lets guess, they will get all upset and surprised when we get yet another pay cut, or the upgrade criteria changes again next.
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Mmm, 18 months eh? Well, aren't they the lucky ones. There are probably over 1800 of us who are now on their 3rd year with the same increment.
If we don't get one this year, I will be thouroughly pissed off.
Harry
If we don't get one this year, I will be thouroughly pissed off.
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Lets guess, they will get all upset and surprised when we get yet another pay cut, or the upgrade criteria changes again next.
The Don
20th Feb 2011 16:00
The Don
20th Feb 2011 16:00
You going to be upset about another paycut, or lack of a decent bonus?
Or is it more of the same drivil from your imense wisdom of all things Emirates?
Just asking Chap!
Too bloody right I will be disappointed Leader, but not surprised. But then again it was not the norm when I joined. Anyone who joined in the last 7 yrs knew what was happening with Airbus FOs being shafted and pay neutral pay cuts, and they still joined. If it didn't matter enough to stop them joining why should it worry them now? If they didn't care about other FOs pay being frozen for 18 months when they joined, why should they be surprised when it happens to them?
Yours drivily
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Yours drivily
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The Hits Just Keep On Com'in
So lets see, overtime changed from 76 to 92.....Should Have Seen That Coming.
Promised leave 42, only can get 30, then 3 or 4 days if lucky......SHSTC.
Charges for housing utilities when promised free.......SHSTC.
Normal block hours increased from 75-85 to 90-100.......SHSTC.
Doctors authority for fatigue changed from 10 days to 2.........SHSTC.
Charges for National ID not paid for by company.........SHSTC.
Inability to get into clinic when sick.........SHSTC.
Ground staff secretly weighing your bag on layovers........SHSTC.
Educational allowance not increased even though school fees up 25%....SHSTC.
Provident Fund changed to only include "Basic" salary and not "Total" salary.........SHSTC.
Life-time limit on health care expense for you and your family.......SHSTC.
I guess my problem is I actually "believed" what they told me in the interview and am not as "clarevoyant" as others!
Promised leave 42, only can get 30, then 3 or 4 days if lucky......SHSTC.
Charges for housing utilities when promised free.......SHSTC.
Normal block hours increased from 75-85 to 90-100.......SHSTC.
Doctors authority for fatigue changed from 10 days to 2.........SHSTC.
Charges for National ID not paid for by company.........SHSTC.
Inability to get into clinic when sick.........SHSTC.
Ground staff secretly weighing your bag on layovers........SHSTC.
Educational allowance not increased even though school fees up 25%....SHSTC.
Provident Fund changed to only include "Basic" salary and not "Total" salary.........SHSTC.
Life-time limit on health care expense for you and your family.......SHSTC.
I guess my problem is I actually "believed" what they told me in the interview and am not as "clarevoyant" as others!