One more roadshow......
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I guess my problem is I actually "believed" what they told me in the interview and am not as "clarevoyant" as others!
If you've joined in the last few years, it was all there for you to see. The internet is a wonderful thing. Clairvoyance wasn't required, just some due diligence. As far as what they are likely to do in the future, I couldn't tell you but the evidence of what they are capable of is substantial.
The planes are big and shiny though.
Last edited by Gillegan; 22nd Feb 2011 at 06:22.
desertflyer,
I will give you the DEWA and health care expense one (thoughts of Romans and aquaducts?), as I don't know what that one means. However all the others have been an issue here for the past decade if not longer.
Pension has always been calculated on basis pay, the flight pay thing was only introduced to hide some of the pay cut we got in 2003. 2003 is also when they played with the overtime, and hours flown (factoring etc), and we stopped being paid min block times of 3.5hrs, and for RSV etc etc.
Egate cards were issued free of charge for a few years, then we had to pay for renewals, now its just extended until they work out this ID card thing, so no change there.
Clinic was impossible to get into in the old white building, and never improved once they moved to the new place.
Ground staff do weigh your bags now, but they also report you for taking photos...remember that one? No change there.
School fees have always been a issue for at least a decade. 2002 to 2007 saw huge leaps in fees and very little increase in allowance.
Leave shortages started not long after they reduced the max limit from 28days to 21 days in a row. 2003ish? We were told then it was a temporary measure.
Now I don't agree with what the company has done, nor do I want to see things further decline. But this information has been freely available in a number of different sites for a very long time. But still you will see people ask to hear just the positive things about EK and Dubai as they are about to decide on taking the job or not. Normally its not long after they join that we then read that they are "enraged" at seeing that their basic salary is the same as those joining some 18 months later. Go figure!
Sorry about the drival Leader.
The Don
PS. And he is right, they are all big and shiny.
I will give you the DEWA and health care expense one (thoughts of Romans and aquaducts?), as I don't know what that one means. However all the others have been an issue here for the past decade if not longer.
Pension has always been calculated on basis pay, the flight pay thing was only introduced to hide some of the pay cut we got in 2003. 2003 is also when they played with the overtime, and hours flown (factoring etc), and we stopped being paid min block times of 3.5hrs, and for RSV etc etc.
Egate cards were issued free of charge for a few years, then we had to pay for renewals, now its just extended until they work out this ID card thing, so no change there.
Clinic was impossible to get into in the old white building, and never improved once they moved to the new place.
Ground staff do weigh your bags now, but they also report you for taking photos...remember that one? No change there.
School fees have always been a issue for at least a decade. 2002 to 2007 saw huge leaps in fees and very little increase in allowance.
Leave shortages started not long after they reduced the max limit from 28days to 21 days in a row. 2003ish? We were told then it was a temporary measure.
Now I don't agree with what the company has done, nor do I want to see things further decline. But this information has been freely available in a number of different sites for a very long time. But still you will see people ask to hear just the positive things about EK and Dubai as they are about to decide on taking the job or not. Normally its not long after they join that we then read that they are "enraged" at seeing that their basic salary is the same as those joining some 18 months later. Go figure!
Sorry about the drival Leader.
The Don
PS. And he is right, they are all big and shiny.
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Why aren't there any roadshows in the announced (today's papers) world's top cities to live in?
... three of the top 10 are in Canada: YVR, YYC, and YYZ...
...EK has services to 5 of the bottom 10...
I do not feel sorry for the folks who have arrived here with cognitive blinders firmly in place and are now shocked with the treatment received. It's been bloody well described in these forums!
They just keep re-arranging the facts to suit their own conclusions. If CRM facilitators need an abject lesson in confirmation bias they need not look too far or hard.
As to the fatigue issue - I would like a major airing of the 'guidance' the doctors are receiving from 'management' in the recording of this data. It of course reduces the number of days reportable as attributed to fatigue, thereby making a mockery of gathered statistics.
I quote the emminent and respected, late, great Carl Sagan: Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Further, the fatigue committee is made up of only managers... Talk about conflict of interest!
Those considering employment need to be pretty careful in their analysis...
I just learned of a colleague who has left to fly for Turkish Airlines for gosh sakes! That's how bad it is here - even living in IST without his family (domiciled abroad...) is prefereable to living and working here. Why? This is surely an important question...
... three of the top 10 are in Canada: YVR, YYC, and YYZ...
...EK has services to 5 of the bottom 10...
I do not feel sorry for the folks who have arrived here with cognitive blinders firmly in place and are now shocked with the treatment received. It's been bloody well described in these forums!
They just keep re-arranging the facts to suit their own conclusions. If CRM facilitators need an abject lesson in confirmation bias they need not look too far or hard.
As to the fatigue issue - I would like a major airing of the 'guidance' the doctors are receiving from 'management' in the recording of this data. It of course reduces the number of days reportable as attributed to fatigue, thereby making a mockery of gathered statistics.
I quote the emminent and respected, late, great Carl Sagan: Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Further, the fatigue committee is made up of only managers... Talk about conflict of interest!
Those considering employment need to be pretty careful in their analysis...
I just learned of a colleague who has left to fly for Turkish Airlines for gosh sakes! That's how bad it is here - even living in IST without his family (domiciled abroad...) is prefereable to living and working here. Why? This is surely an important question...
