Underestimated:The Middle East Carriers
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Cheap shot, may I suggest you read my comment 15FEB at 2258.
Who's in the glass house?
A380-800 driver
How many of the workers from the Indian subcontinent have airconditioned flats with electricity and water and sanitation?
I've seen a couple of the places in DXB where such workers live and whilst I can't say how they compare with what they have back in Bangladesh, they are squalid, filthy, smelly, and overcrowded and certainly not as you describe.
I'm not talking about people doing skilled jobs, I'm talking about unskilled labourers, and I maintain that they are seriously exploited, even if they may have a better life than 'back home'.
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People in Glasshouses................
People in Glasshouses................
Who's in the glass house?
A380-800 driver
You wouldn't say to the bangladeshi expat - "I pity you coming from Bangladesh out of your tin shanty/cardboard home with no electricity and no water, to your airconditioned flat with electricity and water and sanitation.
I've seen a couple of the places in DXB where such workers live and whilst I can't say how they compare with what they have back in Bangladesh, they are squalid, filthy, smelly, and overcrowded and certainly not as you describe.
I'm not talking about people doing skilled jobs, I'm talking about unskilled labourers, and I maintain that they are seriously exploited, even if they may have a better life than 'back home'.
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Fair comments, I accept what you say, however some of the more hysterical reports I've read (alright, I'll admit I do sometimes look at the Daily Mail website!) refer to 'slave' conditions whereby workers have their passports confiscated on arrival, have to pay huge fees to get the jobs in DXB and then spend years working to pay off those debts, pay outrageous amounts for lousy accomodation, and so on.
There were some pretty damning reports in the Guardian and other broadsheets a year or so ago too and whilst I certainly disagree with much of what appears in that lefty publication, it's more serious than the Wail and their reporting is almost certainly substantially based on truth and facts.
Ghaith Abdul-Ahad visits the impoverished camps for the men building the skyscrapers of Dubai and Abu Dhabi | World news | The Guardian
The 'virtual slaves' of the Gulf states | Nesrine Malik | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk
Dubai: business as usual | Jon Henley | Business | The Guardian
What I really detest about Dubai though is the way that they condemn people for public displays of affection (I'm not talking about shagging on the beach, that's clearly out of order!), sex outside marriage is illegal, and yet half their tourist industry is based on prostitution. They know damn well that when these young girls arrive from the CIS, Eastern Europe, Africa with $50 and a couple of miniskirts, they're not bona fide tourists. But they turn a blind eye to it. That stinks. I'm not taking a moral stand here against the sex trade, but against the hypocrisy of the Dubai authorities in this regard. I am sure that you have seen, as have most of us, the bars of the international hotels packed with prossies and their clients.
Fair comments, I accept what you say, however some of the more hysterical reports I've read (alright, I'll admit I do sometimes look at the Daily Mail website!) refer to 'slave' conditions whereby workers have their passports confiscated on arrival, have to pay huge fees to get the jobs in DXB and then spend years working to pay off those debts, pay outrageous amounts for lousy accomodation, and so on.
There were some pretty damning reports in the Guardian and other broadsheets a year or so ago too and whilst I certainly disagree with much of what appears in that lefty publication, it's more serious than the Wail and their reporting is almost certainly substantially based on truth and facts.
Ghaith Abdul-Ahad visits the impoverished camps for the men building the skyscrapers of Dubai and Abu Dhabi | World news | The Guardian
The 'virtual slaves' of the Gulf states | Nesrine Malik | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk
Dubai: business as usual | Jon Henley | Business | The Guardian
What I really detest about Dubai though is the way that they condemn people for public displays of affection (I'm not talking about shagging on the beach, that's clearly out of order!), sex outside marriage is illegal, and yet half their tourist industry is based on prostitution. They know damn well that when these young girls arrive from the CIS, Eastern Europe, Africa with $50 and a couple of miniskirts, they're not bona fide tourists. But they turn a blind eye to it. That stinks. I'm not taking a moral stand here against the sex trade, but against the hypocrisy of the Dubai authorities in this regard. I am sure that you have seen, as have most of us, the bars of the international hotels packed with prossies and their clients.
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A380 driver may be if you did not treat black people like **** for decades you wouldn't find your self in the position of having to escape from " your " country.
I can see you fit perfectly in the modern slavery like exploitation of Dubai.
Concerning the subcontinent laborers may be nobody was pointing the gun at their head when they signed contract but sure enough not many of them could read what was written on it. And after having find out what was all about not having their passport in their hands would not really help them change their mind. Labor camps are concentration camps from the very concept to their shape and locations.
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I can see you fit perfectly in the modern slavery like exploitation of Dubai.
Concerning the subcontinent laborers may be nobody was pointing the gun at their head when they signed contract but sure enough not many of them could read what was written on it. And after having find out what was all about not having their passport in their hands would not really help them change their mind. Labor camps are concentration camps from the very concept to their shape and locations.
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In a few authoritarian regimes accusing dissenting individuals of being mentally insane was the preferred method of getting read of them ans still is in Middle Age kingdoms.
I see you are perfectly in line with the EK style.
What a loyal dog..or shall I say camel?
You are mistaking fro bitterness my aspiration for a better world in which a scam like Dubai would simply not be possible and ass licking, self serving, immoral individuals like you simply would not exist. Waiting for that to happen I feel compelled to do my best to help containing the problem.
I see you are perfectly in line with the EK style.
What a loyal dog..or shall I say camel?
You are mistaking fro bitterness my aspiration for a better world in which a scam like Dubai would simply not be possible and ass licking, self serving, immoral individuals like you simply would not exist. Waiting for that to happen I feel compelled to do my best to help containing the problem.
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EU and EK
Based on EC regulation 2111/2005 the EC could easily ban/restrict EK from flying to the EU.
So the question really is. Is selling the A 380 more important than the damage EK can inflict on the European carriers.
As far as labour laws in the UAE are concerned, there is no guarantee that even the EK pilots themselves are not forced to accept operating procedures that are unacceptable in the EU or the FAA.
The whole model is indeed based on a certain degree of exploitation of the individual.
So the question really is. Is selling the A 380 more important than the damage EK can inflict on the European carriers.
As far as labour laws in the UAE are concerned, there is no guarantee that even the EK pilots themselves are not forced to accept operating procedures that are unacceptable in the EU or the FAA.
The whole model is indeed based on a certain degree of exploitation of the individual.
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We're still all waiting to hear why it was you left these glorious sandy shores? You promised us but have still not told us why. You promise but don't deliver. You don't happen to work for Nakheel now by any chance?
Harry
We're still all waiting to hear why it was you left these glorious sandy shores? You promised us but have still not told us why. You promise but don't deliver. You don't happen to work for Nakheel now by any chance?
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No brainer - protecting a major part of your high tech manufacturing base is always going to be far more important than protecting a part of the service sector that is offering a product that is identical to that offered by hundreds of other companies.
