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Old 28th Jun 2018, 14:33
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Originally Posted by dustyflightdeck
Better not fly EK then as the turbo prop FO joiners will be upgrading soon enough!!!

Ooh look out for the scary Turbo prop drivers.....

I was waiting for a derogatory comment to surface at some point.
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Old 28th Jun 2018, 20:36
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redbaron60

Some guys seem to think that as long as they have a few hours, that will suffice to fly heavies in the LHS from day 1. The EK route structure is varied and can be very challenging - B777 over the N Pole in winter with little diversionary a/fields in case of some citical emergency, just 1 example. That's why EK have a minimum requirement for LHS.

Maybe you should all ask yourselves what experience Flag Carriers need for LHS on heavies, and see how relatively low the experience requirements set by EK are.

I would not wish to be a pax with 2 low-level experience guys/girls up the front.
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I don't understand what you're trying to say. Do you think I am inexperienced? I am a little bit over 20000hrs with 17000 on B737. Not to brag, but I think I can handle it. With an humble attitude, but can handle it. I only wanted to know if the wide body experience was a must.
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Old 28th Jun 2018, 21:42
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Originally Posted by aviation_enthus



Ooh look out for the scary Turbo prop drivers.....

I was waiting for a derogatory comment to surface at some point.
so you disagree that a turbo prop FO who upgrades after 3 years at EK is not experienced? Not sure if the paying pax would agree with you!!
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Old 29th Jun 2018, 01:05
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Originally Posted by dustyflightdeck
so you disagree that a turbo prop FO who upgrades after 3 years at EK is not experienced? Not sure if the paying pax would agree with you!!
I don’t think the paying pax will know any better to be honest. When is the last time you heard pax complaining ‘the pilots aren’t experienced enough!’ Except for some obvious pilot errors (Air Asia/Lion Air) I don’t think most people would know the difference.

Anyway my point is, just because a former TP driver only has 3-4 years on a jet doesn’t mean their prior experience doesn’t count as well. I’ll ask you this question: what is the difference between a TP driver and a former Ryanair/Easyjet etc F/O that joined EK with 3000 hours?

Every single upgrade sim support I’ve done in the last year was with these type of guys/girls. No former command time, all joined as F/O’s coming off a 737/757/767/A320. Nothing wrong with them!

The vast majority of former TP drivers I’ve meet had prior commands, some had Check/Training experience. Hours vary from 4000-17000 hours.

I would argue the attitude and personal attributes of these guys will set them up for a command just as well as anyone else currently upgrading. If you are willing to put the work in and learn about the EK route structure/threats/WX variations/aircraft systems/etc, this is what will set you up better than just having ‘jet time’.
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Old 29th Jun 2018, 02:20
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Of course the turbo prop guys wont have any more problem getting through a command course than a barbie jet pilot. All pilots have to meet the same standard to pass regardless of their background .
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Old 29th Jun 2018, 04:03
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That's is it in a nutshell-once the minimum experience requirements are met it is attitude and application. If the standard is met then the Upgrade will be achieved. My experience here is most of the TP background pilots are not P2F so tend to have more appreciation/better attitude in general-kudos to them for making the most of the opportunity. Just like flying - its all about Attitude.
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Old 7th Jul 2018, 11:28
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Originally Posted by 7oodaz
guys anyone else having assessment on 23rd of July. ? if so pm me so we can share stuff .
Me too, message sent.
Thank you
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Old 8th Jul 2018, 07:11
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EK Health Insurance

Good day Gentlemen,

can someone in EK give me further info in regards to health insurance for family. Is it automatically covered by EK or the sponsorship we give our family or we have to buy a premium with EK. Does it cover worldwide or just UAE and home country? Thank you for the info.
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Old 8th Jul 2018, 14:08
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This thread will benefit those chaps like myself who considers EK as a great airline and herald option but unsure of how's the living conditions in Dubai since nightstopping Dubai in Intercontinental or Sheraton won't help much to experience local lifestyle as expat...

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Old 9th Jul 2018, 02:57
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This should help you make a decision about the package:

Dubai and Abu Dhabi, the region's top sought-after destinations for job seekers, are the 20th and 23rd most expensive cities in the world for expatriates, a new global cost of living survey reveals.

While Dubai moved up one spot compared to last year's index, Abu Dhabi jumped two places on the back of higher costs for housing, goods and services, according to the latest Cost of Living survey by Mercer, the human resources consultancy.



https://m.khaleejtimes.com/business/...tliest-cities-
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Old 9th Jul 2018, 21:15
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Describe how the cost of living matters when you have a free house, free electricity, free water, free chauffered transport to and from work, medical insurance, next-to-free airline travel and the bulk of your children's school fees payed for you.
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Old 9th Jul 2018, 21:21
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Originally Posted by Dropp the Pilot
Describe how the cost of living matters when you have a free house, free electricity, free water, free chauffered transport to and from work, medical insurance, next-to-free airline travel and the bulk of your children's school fees payed for you.

totally agree with you
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Old 9th Jul 2018, 22:52
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Because food isn't free, transport (apart from to/from work) isn't free, internet/phone isn't free (and remember Skype is blocked) and you will quickly discover that schooling is VERY expensive- it goes up every year but the amount Emirates contribute certainly doesn't. If all you ever do is go to work or sit in your 'free' housing then the cost of living won't matter- but you will go crazy in a couple of months.
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Old 9th Jul 2018, 23:17
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Originally Posted by BigGeordie
Because food isn't free, transport (apart from to/from work) isn't free, internet/phone isn't free (and remember Skype is blocked) and you will quickly discover that schooling is VERY expensive- it goes up every year but the amount Emirates contribute certainly doesn't. If all you ever do is go to work or sit in your 'free' housing then the cost of living won't matter- but you will go crazy in a couple of months.
First of all you are not just sitting home you are flying around the globe and when you are off at home you are enjoying a couple of days with your kids or family at home maybe having dinner at home and go out the next day ...
​​​​​​Then for food and cost of living ther is no way that you spend 30k Aed a month on food and outdoor activities unless you are partying everynight and eating at 5 star restaurants every day , just remember you are an employee not a prince
lastly dubai is expensive very expensive but even with this facts the package s stil good very good and much much better than back home..
Come on dontd be spoiled guys
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Old 9th Jul 2018, 23:40
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That wasn't the question though: the point was to describe why the ever rising cost of living (and static salary) matter, which I did.

Can you save money on an F/O salary? Certainly. How much you save depends on your lifestyle of course but, as you say, Dubai is not cheap and it is getting more expensive. Remember, the way salaries are going, you will be better off the first year you are there than you ever will be again.

The first line of Dz flyer's comment, "...you are not just sitting at home...." is very relevant. No, you aren't at home- you are many thousands of miles away from your family and friends and you need to be adequately compensated for that. Most of the time it doesn't matter much (did I mention Skype is blocked in the UAE?) until a family member is ill or there is some other crisis. Then it really matters.
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Old 9th Jul 2018, 23:56
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Originally Posted by BigGeordie
That wasn't the question though: the point was to describe why the ever rising cost of living (and static salary) matter, which I did.

Can you save money on an F/O salary? Certainly. How much you save depends on your lifestyle of course but, as you say, Dubai is not cheap and it is getting more expensive. Remember, the way salaries are going, you will be better off the first year you are there than you ever will be again.

The first line of Dz flyer's comment, "...you are not just sitting at home...." is very relevant. No, you aren't at home- you are many thousands of miles away from your family and friends and you need to be adequately compensated for that. Most of the time it doesn't matter much (did I mention Skype is blocked in the UAE?) until a family member is ill or there is some other crisis. Then it really matters.
You will be mikes away from hole and family in any airline job even if you are flying for your home country airline and i dont think you will be better rewarded for that than EK
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Old 10th Jul 2018, 00:54
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Just over 5 months. That's what you need to know. It took me just over 5 months to return to a normal sleeping pattern after 7 1/2 years at EK.

The argument over the package is completely irrelevant to that. What price do you place on your health? 5 months to get back to some form of pattern in sleeping is absolutely ridiculous. Do any of you read what lost sleeping patterns equate to? It is a given in our job that we have affected sleeping patterns, however, to the extent that EK disrupts them and consequently affecting your health in ways you won't see until you leave.

K1000, what Dropp wrote is wrong, Medical isn't free. You pay a premium every month for it. And it will only keep increasing because the medical system is one of the most disgusting money grabs in Dubai. The second they know you are EK they charge for everything, and inflate the cost. So as a result, EK will only keep raising the Premium, for Medical coverage from second rate Medical Professionals.
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Old 10th Jul 2018, 03:07
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Originally Posted by Yournamehere
I won't even bother with the first part of the point you're trying to make.

As to the above, the package you're referring to may be much better than it is in your home country. At many many other pilots' homes including my own, the package is average at best and diminished greatly by the lack of respect shown to the contract by the company.

The whole point of an expat deal is for it to be good enough to attract talented expats who are willing to trade life in their home country for the rewards it provides. It doesn't seem like EK are offering anything like this at the moment.

Professionally, I'd love to experience the challenge that the EK network offers pilots (assuming I'd manage to pass the interview and assessment) but speaking to friends there now and reading the input of others here, I don't think the risk of moving my family to Dubai is work the reward the company is currently offering.

So I'm afraid I have to disagree with you when you say the package is not currently "much much better than at home".


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Just read and now realise that you must either be a troll or a pilot with very little knowledge of life outside the poor contract you must be on.
i respect your opinion and agree of most of what you said ...but there is airlines in EU paying 3k € for FO how can you accept that ? Will you be satisfied and have a happy life with such a salary? Honestly?
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Old 10th Jul 2018, 03:10
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Originally Posted by mmmbop
Just over 5 months. That's what you need to know. It took me just over 5 months to return to a normal sleeping pattern after 7 1/2 years at EK.

The argument over the package is completely irrelevant to that. What price do you place on your health? 5 months to get back to some form of pattern in sleeping is absolutely ridiculous. Do any of you read what lost sleeping patterns equate to? It is a given in our job that we have affected sleeping patterns, however, to the extent that EK disrupts them and consequently affecting your health in ways you won't see until you leave.

K1000, what Dropp wrote is wrong, Medical isn't free. You pay a premium every month for it. And it will only keep increasing because the medical system is one of the most disgusting money grabs in Dubai. The second they know you are EK they charge for everything, and inflate the cost. So as a result, EK will only keep raising the Premium, for Medical coverage from second rate Medical Professionals.
what you said about sleeping patterns is totally true BUT
do you mean your sleeping patterns will be affected only with EK ?
wont you fly long haul flights at night somwhere else ? This is part of the job , we all made a choice to be pilots from the beginning and this is part of it
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Old 10th Jul 2018, 03:18
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Originally Posted by Dz_flyer

what you said about sleeping patterns is totally true BUT
do you mean your sleeping patterns will be affected only with EK ?
wont you fly long haul flights at night somwhere else ? This is part of the job , we all made a choice to be pilots from the beginning and this is part of it
DZ. I still fly Long Haul. What EK does is not LH. It does LH, MH, & SH. There is no break, and no consistency. It is pure exhaustion and FATIGUE. Where I am now, I do trips, but get enough of a break to catch up my sleep. And I get AL which then allows me to get back to 'normal.' What I am saying is If you join EK, you will not know what 'normal' is again until after you leave.
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