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Emirates (EK) Interview - all you need to know about it (threads merged)

Old 27th Aug 2018, 12:48
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Hi all. Despite all the negativity and hate I am starting with EK in November. I have my own reasons to join and I cannot wait (Insert popcorn). As it is known now, there is no option to opt out of company provided accommodation (CPA) but one can request or send their preference of where to stay. I am a single male so an apartment is where I'll be headed no doubt. Can anyone assist with info and the names of the various buildings? I know of Maisan Towers, Grosvenor, Tecom, Manazel and Millennium
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Old 28th Aug 2018, 03:01
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Hey FACT Pilot,

Just wondering how the whole interview process went and any tips or pointers. I may be applying in the near future.
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Old 28th Aug 2018, 06:10
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Hey there I had a plethora of questions I wanted to ask you. Let me know if you can chat via other means.
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Old 31st Aug 2018, 17:06
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Originally Posted by FACT Pilot View Post
Hi all. Despite all the negativity and hate I am starting with EK in November. I have my own reasons to join and I cannot wait (Insert popcorn). As it is known now, there is no option to opt out of company provided accommodation (CPA) but one can request or send their preference of where to stay. I am a single male so an apartment is where I'll be headed no doubt. Can anyone assist with info and the names of the various buildings? I know of Maisan Towers, Grosvenor, Tecom, Manazel and Millennium
I have also been thinking about applying. People here showed me it is no heaven there. But I fly from my hometown and get paid 3500 us dollars monthly! That is 320 with average 80-90 hrs (summer 99 hrs), 40-50 legs! I have to save in dollars because currency lost 50 pct of its value during last 5 months.

I just came from early morning flight 2 legs 4hrs block total(finished at 1pm local) and I will fly again tonight 7hrs block 2 legs and layover starting at 2am local. I dont know can it be worse thn this? I have seen a 380 roster it looks way better than what I have been going through.

So I ve applied and we will see the results. I will share my experience.
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Old 31st Aug 2018, 23:58
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Clumsypilot,

So in 3 days of joining PPRuNe you've gone from an initial post of asking if you should swap from the A320 and take the upgrade on the 737, to singing the virtue of an A380 roster, applying for EK, and sharing your experience. How interestingly convenient.......

I look forward to the next instalment from this new improved version of Costa Coffee Dwellers providing impartial advice to the unknowing on PPRuNe.

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Old 1st Sep 2018, 01:55
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Originally Posted by clumsypilot View Post
I have also been thinking about applying. People here showed me it is no heaven there. But I fly from my hometown and get paid 3500 us dollars monthly! That is 320 with average 80-90 hrs (summer 99 hrs), 40-50 legs! I have to save in dollars because currency lost 50 pct of its value during last 5 months.

I just came from early morning flight 2 legs 4hrs block total(finished at 1pm local) and I will fly again tonight 7hrs block 2 legs and layover starting at 2am local. I dont know can it be worse thn this? I have seen a 380 roster it looks way better than what I have been going through.

So I ve applied and we will see the results. I will share my experience.
Good for you! There is going to be issues in any company and anybody who tells you otherwise is a fool. At the end of the day (my own opinion) people must do what makes them happy and not what other people perceive to best for another individual. Everyone has their own experiences and situations. For me personally the move to EK and Dubai makes the most sense for me right now. It may not work for others and it may not even appeal to others (I know it doesn’t). I have a number of friends that are working there now with similar backgrounds to me that are very happy there. Unfortunately you hardly hear the positives as those people tend to avoid this site due to the negativity. Again, each to their own. So far the journey with EK has been very professional and pleasant and I cannot wait to start.
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Old 1st Sep 2018, 08:17
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Fact.
If you have not started yet that means your experience so far has been with the recruitment department. They are by far the nicest department in the company , for a number of reasons . Good luck with the move , I hope it goes well . We all have reasons for moving .
Please post in 3 years how things are roster wise .
goos luck .
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Old 1st Sep 2018, 18:17
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I had thought to join EK a few years ago, but well things din't work out. So at the moment for new comers they still only offer those Meydan South Villas as accommodation or they provide other places too? if they do then what are the other locations of the company accommodation?
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Old 2nd Sep 2018, 00:33
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Joining Emirates

I am a 38 year old American who has been flying Part 91 for a high net worth individual for 10 years now. With 6500 hours, most of it turbine/jet PIC, I am BORED with my job and am pondering coming to Emirates.

A few questions:

* How often can I plan on being in the USA?
* How much money can I realistically plan to save per year, living a modest lifestyle in Dubai?
* Do I stand a chance at seeing a Captain upgrade?
* Do I have any say on whether I go to the B777 or the A380?

Thank you!!
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Old 2nd Sep 2018, 14:49
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Hey there,

Is there anyone currently on the freighter contract that wouldn't mind a PM?

Cheers
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Old 3rd Sep 2018, 02:35
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That was close and seaman, thanks for your replies. I am certainly not blinded by the fact that there are issues there and yes over time my opinion may change however this is something I need to try for myself. It’s something I’ve committed to and I will therefore go in with an open mind and give it my best.

Seaman your comment about me knowing better is a bit offsides because the reality is that I don’t. This is a big change for me but you cannot expect someone to know everything by what is said on here. It will work for some and it won’t work for others and that (in my opinion again) applies at any company one works for. You have no idea what research I’ve done (of where to move and who to fly for) and what conditions I currently live/work under so I don’t know how this comment is justified. I also have not replied with “well then just leave” and to be honest I’m sorry you’re going through a low.
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Old 3rd Sep 2018, 06:02
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All the big questions!

Hi all EK pilots,

I would like to get an honest response from all pilots on here working for the EK.

I'm currently thinking about applying and have read through all these threads hearing a lot of bad and not much good. I know each company has there flaws and working conditions aren't good for pilots anywhere anymore. I'm just trying to get a full lifestyle review from people over there. The working conditions that I face in my country is continuous duty flights where you go in at the end of the evening and operate back first thing in the morning with 4-6 hrs rest. At the bottom of the senority probable for the next 5 years. I'm Captain now but will likely never see Christmas or Prime Summertime off for the next 6 years. I can't progress to anything bigger with my current company, not that I care on which machine I fly, but pay also lacks topping out at about $130,000 in 20 years from now. Right now after paying taxes I only see about $60,000 as a Captain.

My big questions are:
Expected timeline to Captain after start date at Emirates?
Are you type Frozen on the 777 when you start if you want to switch to the A380? And if so how long?
What are the layover times (ie: DXB-SEA 14hr 10 min flt, or DXB-SFO 16hr 40min flt)
Is the housing allowance gone now and unable to opt out of the company crew accommodations and get your own place? (ie: the $5100 dollar house allowance)
How much can you actually save a pay check? (Assuming an average lifestyle nothing to extravagant)
I did the math based on a 2% increase yearly and a upgrade after 3 years that you could presumably save $3.32 million if you stayed 15years and saved every penny.
How expensive are groceries if you wanna lead a healthy lifestyle? (Average weekly costs)
Do they actually charge a 150% VAT on alcohol now on duty free if you bring some in from a pairing? Also how expensive is it to go to the liquor store with your liquor permit card and discounts through Emirates?


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Old 3rd Sep 2018, 06:49
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My big questions are:
Expected timeline to Captain after start date at Emirates?
5-7 years depending on experience and compitence

Are you type Frozen on the 777 when you start if you want to switch to the A380? And if so how long?
You are frozen on type for 5 years (from memory, and to move types it is on company requirement not personal preference)

What are the layover times (ie: DXB-SEA 14hr 10 min flt, or DXB-SFO 16hr 40min flt)
48hrs on these two, but there are other equally long flights with only 24hrs. Majority of layovers are 24 hours.

Is the housing allowance gone now and unable to opt out of the company crew accommodations and get your own place? (ie: the $5100 dollar house allowance)
Only get the allowance if you opt to buy a property in Dubai. You don't get it to use for rental. Also the allowance is NOT $5100, more like $4400 but as I said that is only for property purchase. To buy a property in Dubai you will need to factor on around spending 30% of the property price in costs and minimum deposit.

How much can you actually save a pay check? (Assuming an average lifestyle nothing to extravagant)
Depends on you, if you have a family, wife, kids etc. Dubai is very expensive. As an FO not a huge amount. As a captain a little more. Don't expect huge savings. So many think this but it is not a reality.

I did the math based on a 2% increase yearly and a upgrade after 3 years that you could presumably save $3.32 million if you stayed 15years and saved every penny.
I don't know where your maths get that figure. A captain living in company accommodation earns around 45,000 Aed a month +/-. 540,000 per year. 15 years =8,100,000 Aed or $2,205,000. Thats if you joined as a captain and spend NOTHING, not $1. Still a million short of your $3.2. You MAY get the 3% annual increase, you may not. It has happened several times that you get nothing. Inflation in Dubai is high and is higher than any 3% increase.

How expensive are groceries if you wanna lead a healthy lifestyle? (Average weekly costs)
Expensive and it varies where you cost. Think of New York, London prices. If you drink at all then its far higher. $20 a beer for example.

Do they actually charge a 150% VAT on alcohol now on duty free if you bring some in from a pairing?
Yes, but not 150% VAT but ancillary charges that are in effect 150%

Also how expensive is it to go to the liquor store with your liquor permit card and discounts through Emirates?
Very! This is probably why they put all the charges on bringing in duty free. The crews would buy overseas so they didn't have to pay the sky high alcohol prices.




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Old 3rd Sep 2018, 07:01
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Is the housing allowance gone now and unable to opt out of the company crew accommodations and get your own place? (ie: the $5100 dollar house allowance)
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FHawk,

That USD5100 housing allowance figure is higher than quoted. Where did you get that from? Or is that what they are paying guys with the "Enhanced package"?
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Old 3rd Sep 2018, 11:47
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A good job with prospects in the majors in the US? Don't do it. However to answer your questions.......

How often can I plan on being in the USA?
As a junior guy, say 3-4 times a year for 24/48hrs plus vacation.

* How much money can I realistically plan to save per year, living a modest lifestyle in Dubai?
As an FO with a family, not a lot. Dubai is expensive. As a single guy, a little more but not heaps

* Do I stand a chance at seeing a Captain upgrade?
5-7 years

* Do I have any say on whether I go to the B777 or the A380?
Nope, you get told.
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Old 3rd Sep 2018, 15:53
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Originally Posted by Yorkshire_Pudding View Post


3.3 USD million? Most guys on the B777 are staying 7 years to the day just to get the full provident fund payout. If you’ve actively managed the fund and only paid in standard contributions, fund values float around 150,000 USD mark.

Upgrades are 5.5 years not 3 years (some guys got upgrade letters at the 4 year mark recently but no solid word on courses, but also realistically will be checked out to line around the 5 year mark).

Plenty of guys bail before 7 years. 18 months to 3 years is also quite typical. Just what I see everyday on the line.
My funds were calculated on the Canadian dollar not US. I recently went to a road show in Toronto so that's what I based my figures on from the slide show and upgrade after 3years which seems unlikely.
So do you physically have to buy a place in order to get the housing allowance and renting does not count?

Do you guys know how many guys are leaving a month on average, due to unhappy working conditions?

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Old 3rd Sep 2018, 16:21
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Jan 2017 through Dec 2017 476 pilots left EK. Looks like it will be similar this year.
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Old 3rd Sep 2018, 16:58
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What is the enhanced package? Money wise? (Ca) asking for a friend.

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Old 3rd Sep 2018, 17:58
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Its on the EK website.....a Ca should know how to search for that
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Old 4th Sep 2018, 01:06
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Originally Posted by felixthecat View Post
Its on the EK website.....a Ca should know how to search for that
No it is not on the website. “You may be entitled to an enhanced package” no mention of what that is, on mobile site...


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