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Old 28th Sep 2010, 07:46
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Yep, thanks for the correction, my figures were monthly not annually. So by my number it would be 360 million dhs per year. Even at those numbers, they still make 1+ billion. Staffing the airline will be the biggest challenge. Spend some money, problem solved and they will be able to actually fly all the airplanes they plan on buying.
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Old 28th Sep 2010, 08:21
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JFK and YYZ are SLR ( can be done with 3 pilots on a seasonal basis) and as such 24h layover will stay, not sure about OZ
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Old 28th Sep 2010, 10:20
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"Show me the money"

EK is making an average of US$125,000,000 profit a week. Last week was their best ever: US$175,000,000. Can they afford to give the crews a raise? You do the math.
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Old 28th Sep 2010, 11:38
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EK is making an average of US$125,000,000 profit a week.
Troff... Umm... shake your head buddy, your brain is stuck. These numbers are not realistic.
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Old 28th Sep 2010, 14:09
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With regards to your comment ( dont know how to get your quote in this space ) Before they change the req to allow Turboprop guys to apply, there are still heaps of ERJ145/CRJ200 guys with jet exp but below the 30T rule, so im guessing thatll be the first to be removed before they look at turboprops...
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Old 28th Sep 2010, 15:51
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A380 Driver, Troff

Thanks for that. I know this company is run by CC and not Flt Ops, but one week's revenue is not an average. And frankly I do consider the source.

Now that I've thought it through a bit more carefully, I actually think this number is conservative. My apologies to both of you. I suspect we're at least on target for the published stated profit target of 1.45 billion USD, which was last year's result.

Based on management rumblings in our Weekly Updates that we are on target, this would presume a weekly profit of about 2.4 million USD, significantly more than we're discussing at the moment.

Those said rumblings at times intimate that we're ahead of our target... I like the sound of all of that! Perhaps it may be of some material consolation next May when the Fiscal 2010 announcement is made.

I remain hopeful.
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Old 28th Sep 2010, 16:48
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$125,000,000USD/week????! That's about 6.5 BILLION USD in profit per year! Hmmm nice profit sharing check...LOL
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Old 28th Sep 2010, 19:21
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Aussie, I think one of the obstacles to Turbo Prop experience is the need to do base training. The EK sims I am pretty sure, are only zero flight time if the candidate has 1000hs jet transport, otherwise its bash the circuit at RAK.
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Old 28th Sep 2010, 19:28
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... otherwise its bash the circuit at RAK.
Been done before, in fact some airlines still 'bash the circuit'.
Among them presently are LH and SV.
Makes for a better all 'round trained pilot.
Of course, to do this exercise properly, the respective airline needs proper Training Captain numbers....apparently in rather short supply at EK.
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Old 28th Sep 2010, 19:36
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EK is making an average of US$125,000,000 profit a week.
The number is correct, only the denomination is Dhs, not US$.
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Old 28th Sep 2010, 19:54
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Originally Posted by 411a
Been done before, in fact some airlines still 'bash the circuit'.
Among them presently are LH and SV.
Possibly (at least from the LH side) it's because they are CADETS!!!! Have you heard of zero-flight time type ratings? It's obviously a EUROLAND thing heh? Again, you poke your nose into an airline that you no absolutely nothing about

Whilst I agree with many things that you post 411a, you should only post about what you know otherwise you make a fool of yourself

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the respective airline needs proper Training Captain numbers....apparently in rather short supply at EK.
... You work at EK? NO! You know the training department? No! Give us a break fellah!!!
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Old 29th Sep 2010, 03:26
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Drop the 30 ton rule so many RJ drivers from American can apply to EK...
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Old 29th Sep 2010, 06:24
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Possibly (at least from the LH side) it's because they are CADETS!!!! Have you heard of zero-flight time type ratings? It's obviously a EUROLAND thing heh?
WhiteKnight might perhaps like to actually take a closer look at LH aircraft training, then he might (but certainly no guarantee) have the facts straight.
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Old 29th Sep 2010, 10:22
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I agree with Whiteknight. There are times when your posts are let down by a combination of ignorance and arrogance. The latter being worse as you should know better. You're also good at those regular bating comments you often through in to elicit angry responses, often from F/O's. You're one hell of a wind up merchant who must get up the noses of many you fly with if you act anything like the way you write.

Your statement that circuit bashing makes for a more rounded pilot is simply your opinion. There are no facts whatsoever to back up that comment.

It needs far more than a few touch and go's to accomplish that.

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Old 29th Sep 2010, 11:25
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The whole point of recruiting experience is avoid the need to bash the circuit and spend money. 411 doesn't have to look as far away as LH for an example, EK already does it with their cadets. (Didn't he know that?)

I thought 411 was a phone number in North America for useful information.....
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Old 29th Sep 2010, 13:38
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Sorry but the reason they put the 30 T limit was to exclude RJ types
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Old 29th Sep 2010, 18:44
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Sorry but the reason they put the 30 T limit was to exclude RJ types
No, it's BS. A CRJ-200 doesn't meet the criteria, but a CRJ-700 does. It's the same type rating, just a small differences course. And from the EK applicaiton drop down menu, the CRJ-200/700/900 was one option.
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Old 29th Sep 2010, 18:54
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Mate, not much diff between the CRJ200 and 700 and likewise the ERJ145 and 170... in terms of flying anyway. Ones over 30T and other ones not. Both regional jets, dont see what the Ejet guys have over the ERJ drivers.... except advanced tech. which means they do even less in the cockpit
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Old 30th Sep 2010, 14:56
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Your statement that circuit bashing makes for a more rounded pilot is simply your opinion.
Seems several other airlines share my opinion, and have for a very long time....in fact, quite likely since you were in short pants.
Younger guys think they know everything...many times they are sadly mistaken.
No surprise.
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Old 30th Sep 2010, 15:53
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I agree 411A.
On the other hand, the new technology allows the safe practice of circuits in all sorts of conditions that are rarely available (nor desirable) in the real aircraft. When's the last time you let a trainee land in 40kts of crosswind at night?
You are a braver instructor than I...
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